Donald trump. what is your take on him?

[micaddict]

Hardly. But good to know asking questions is know associated with communism 

Did you read and digest it all?

It even features the hero of this thread.

Don't scroll now; you'll get there. 

 

[nielsk]

Everything taken into account, the leaders of the Confederacy were sworn enemy's of the United States.
Nice how Trump has lumped the Founding Fathers in with sworn enemy's of the United States... they are all "so beautiful"!

BTW, over many, many years with the guidance of people like Roger Ailes, the Republicans have developed "whataboutism" and misdirection to divert the public's attention from what is really going on to a high art form. Like most things politic, Trump is just learning about it.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Hardly. But good to know asking questions is know associated with communism 

In fact communism is pretty universally opposed to answering difficult questions.

Some modern governments practice active disinformation and propaganda (even ours apparently).

Politics routinely deals in disinformation. 

Modern media seems a little too inclined to  promote partisan agendas instead of objective factual reportage.

There are real terror events going on around the world and we are instead relitigating the civil war by applying modern cultural standards to behavior by our ancestors hundreds of years ago. 

Not sure where this PC surge will end.... We thought the "redskins" was the most objectionable part of the "Washington Redskins" team name, but after George Washington gets declared a racist white supremacist, they'll have to rename our nation's capital too.

JR

@DMP It is impossible to defend slavery (and I am not). It is hard to expect several southern states to just give up the enterprise that fueled their local economies because of federal government mandate without a fight. It is no surprise that several european nations were supportive to the confederacy, because they wanted to keep buying the cheap cotton and had other geopolitical designs in the Americas. Or were those european nations champions for slavery? Not likely but see how that works.  :  Nice twofer blaming slavery on capitalism  :. Maybe blame all the consumers of that cotton (and tobacco) too.  Shaming consumers has helped reduce the substandard working conditions  in oriental clothing factories at least in the margin.

 

[micaddict]

In fact communism is pretty universally opposed to answering difficult questions.

Some modern governments practice active disinformation and propaganda (even ours apparently).

Politics routinely deals in disinformation. 

Modern media seems a little too inclined to  promote partisan agendas instead of objective factual reportage.

There are real terror events going on around the world and we are instead relitigating the civil war by applying modern cultural standards to behavior by our ancestors hundreds of years ago. 

Not sure where this PC surge will end.... We thought the "redskins" was the most objectionable part of the "Washington Redskins" team name, but after George Washington gets declared a racist white supremacist, they'll have to rename our nation's capital too.

JR

@DMP It is impossible to defend slavery (and I am not). It is hard to expect several southern states to just give up the enterprise that fueled their local economies because of federal government mandate without a fight. It is no surprise that several european nations were supportive to the confederacy, because they wanted to keep buying the cheap cotton and had other geopolitical designs in the Americas. Or were those european nations champions for slavery? Not likely but see how that works.  :  Nice twofer blaming slavery on capitalism  :. Maybe blame all the consumers of that cotton (and tobacco) too.  Shaming consumers has helped reduce the substandard working conditions  in oriental clothing factories at least in the margin.

Europe has very dirty hands to say the least when it comes to slavery in the past.
But by pointing at Europe again and again (and not just regarding this matter) you prove Matador's point.
This thread is about the current president of the United States of America.

 

[tands]

- When you blame a poor person for not getting a better job, you accept that while their job is necessary, whoever does it should be poor. -

https://twitter.com/existentialcoms/status/855501957288517632

 

[micaddict]

Yeah, we've covered some extra ground in those 139 pages. 

Not always in a whatabout way, though.

Nobody is entirely immune to it BTW.

But for some it's a standard defense mechanism.

 

[tands]

Watching this dude flail around is starting to get comical.

- Looks like many anti-police agitators in Boston. Police are looking tough and smart! Thank you. -

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898988632551370753

 

[tands]

New york times  rewriting history on Honduras coup to cover Obama and Clinton's guilty asses.

The August 14 New York Times reported that the threat by Donald Trump to use the US military against the government of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has brought together Latin American leaders, divided on other things, in opposition to US intervention.  Along the way, reporter Nicholas Casey cites a regional expert who says, “An often ugly history of US interventions is vividly remembered in Latin America — even as we in the US have forgotten.” Which the Times followed thus:

    Under President Barack Obama, however, Washington aimed to get past the conflicts by building wider consensus over regional disputes. In 2009, after the Honduran military removed the leftist president Manuel Zelaya from power in a midnight coup, the United States joined other countries in trying to broker—albeit unsuccessfully—a deal for his return.

There’s a word for that kind of statement, and the word is “lie.”

Now, the US is supposed to cut off aid to a country that has a military coup—and “there is no doubt” that Zelaya’s ouster “constituted an illegal and unconstitutional coup,” according to a secret report sent by the US ambassador to Honduras on July 24, 2009, and later exposed by WikiLeaks. But the US continued most aid to Honduras, carefully avoiding the magic words “military coup” that would have necessitated withdrawing support from the coup regime.

Internal emails reveal that the State Department pressured the OAS not to support the country’s constitutional government. In her memoir Hard Choices, Hillary Clinton recalled how as secretary of State she worked behind the scenes to legitimate the new regime. In the days following the coup, her book relates:

  I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere, including Secretary Espinosa in Mexico. We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras, and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot.

more

http://fair.org/home/action-alert-nyt-claims-us-opposed-honduran-coup-it-actually-supported/

Remember..

  It was a shock on arriving at the New York Times in 2004, as the paper’s movie editor, to realize that its editorial dynamic was essentially the reverse. By and large, talented reporters scrambled to match stories with what internally was often called “the narrative.” We were occasionally asked to map a narrative for our various beats a year in advance, square the plan with editors, then generate stories that fit the pre-designated line.”

    Reality usually had a way of intervening. But I knew one senior reporter who would play solitaire on his computer in the mornings, waiting for his editors to come through with marching orders. Once, in the Los Angeles bureau, I listened to a visiting National staff reporter tell a contact, more or less: “My editor needs someone to say such-and-such, could you say that?””

    The bigger shock came on being told, at least twice, by Times editors who were describing the paper’s daily Page One meeting: “We set the agenda for the country in that room.”"

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/12/the-narrative-neoliberalism-and-identity-politics.html

 

[bluebird]

Wow, just read this is the Bluebird Absolutly True news Times.

It has been recently reported that
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Are not credible news outlets by The New York Times
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Man, I just don't know who to believe any more...

WAIT look at this headline!

Middle aged Los Angeles man doesn't know what news outlet to believe any more.
Aug 19 - 2017-Bluebird Absolutely True News

And even more shocking

Outhouse is Full – Now What?

29 May 2012 Cabin Contemplations

There comes a time in every traditional cabin owner’s life when a critical decision must be made. Do we move the outhouse or do we clean out the “PIT”?

This is especially true for the remote and water-access property owners who don’t have the luxury of calling up a pump barge or a sanitation truck to come and relieve them of their problem.

While many cabins and cottages have been upgraded to include indoor facilities – either with a septic system or a composting toilet, a large number of outhouse die-hards still loyally cling to their sanitary pit privy in the woods.

The downside of this passion for the outdoor potty is the maintenance. At some point we have to get down and dirty and clean it out, or dig a new pit and move the outhouse to a new location.

The decision is essentially determined by the condition of your privy, the layout of your property, and how strong your stomach is.

Digging Out The Sanitary Pit
In cases where the sitting area of the outhouse has been designed for easy removal and re-installation, anyone who has the nerve would generally be better off cleaning the pit privy out.

You are probably thinking: “No Way!” but it may be the best decision if the job is required every couple of seasons, or if your property has limited spots that are suitable for an outhouse installation.

How do you clean out the sanitary pit privy or outhouse?
The ideal time to empty the outhouse pit is in the spring on the first day you open the cabin. In fact, if the outhouse is the only toilet you have, this effectively becomes job number one – for obvious reasons.

The benefit of doing the dirty duty at this time of year is that mother nature has had six or seven months to complete her work. The contents of the pit privy generally resemble garden fertilizer at this point, which is a much easier product to deal with than the original ingredients.

The best tool for the job is a manual post-hole auger. Assuming your pit is at a reasonable depth, you can remove most of the contents by using the auger from above the hole.

Simply remove the bench that the seat is placed on, and without actually moving the entire outhouse structure, you should be able to get the job done in an hour or two.

An advantage of this option is that it is a one-man job. And depending on your family and friends, you may be the only volunteer.

If you and your guests have been following proper outhouse protocol, there shouldn’t be any non-biodegradable objects in the pit, and you won’t have to filter through the new fertilizer to remove the undesirable items.

Place the dirt into a wheelbarrow and then bury it somewhere in the bush at the back of the property. Ensure the disposal location is at least 30 metres (100 feet) from any water source, and ideally, a healthy distance from your neighbour’s property line. Again, it is likely to be more fertilizer than feces at this point but you should still cover it up well, especially if the family dog has a penchant for rolling around in similar substances.

Once the pit privy has been adequately cleaned out, re-install the sitting bench and you are good to go for the season.

Moving The Outhouse
There are a few situations where it may be better to move the outhouse to a new location:

In cases where the outhouse gets little use, the sanitary pit will slowly fill up over several years and it may be worthwhile to relocate it, especially if the original pit is deeper than the maximum reach of a post-hole auger.

Having a property that contains numerous outhouse-friendly locations also makes the move easier.

Finally, and probably more importantly, if you just can’t bring yourself to do the job of excavating the pit privy without getting violently ill in the process, the only option will be to dig a new hole and move the outhouse to a fresh spot.

Again, if the privy has been constructed in a way that makes it easy to tear down and re-assemble (ie, using screws rather than nails), then the job can be done by one person. Otherwise, it is going to be a much more involved project, and you will likely have to make some rustic privy provisions for a day or two.

In fact, if the outhouse has been in the same location for as far back as grandpa can remember, you may be better off building a new one that can be readily relocated.

In any case, it is important to follow your local regulations regarding the construction and location of an outdoor sanitary pit privy.

In Ontario, for example, you do not need to get a permit to build a Class 1 sewage system – which includes earth pit privies or outhouses. While you don’t need a permit, there are still rules that deal with how the structure must be built. Specific guidelines are also laid out concerning the location and depth of the pit.

The following information has been taken from the Ontario Building Code Section 8.3 Class 1 Sewage Systems:

Rules for the Outhouse or Superstructure
The outhouse must be constructed with durable weatherproof material and must have a solid floor supported by a sill constructed of treated timber, masonry, or other material of at least equal strength and durability.

The outhouse must be built so that it can be easily sanitized.

Unless equipped solely as a urinal, the outhouse must have one or more seats that each have a cover and are supported by a bench or riser which is lined with an impervious material on all interior vertical surfaces.

The outhouse must have a self-closing door.

The structure must also have one or more openings for the purpose of ventilation, all of which are to be screened.

The outhouse must have a ventilation duct that is screened at the top end and extends from the underside of the bench or riser to a point above the roof of the superstructure.

The outhouse shall not have any openings for the reception of human body waste other than the urinals and the seats with covers as described above.

Rules for the Pit
The bottom of the pit must to be at least 900mm (3 feet) above the high point of the ground water table. The sides of the pit have to be reinforced so they won’t cave in.

There must also be at least 600mm (2 inches) of soil or leaching bed fill surrounding the pit and at the bottom of the pit.

The soil or leaching bed fill has to be raised or mounded at least 150mm (6 inches) above ground level around the base of the outhouse structure. This would be done to prevent rain water from getting in.

Here are a few other considerations:

The setback requirements are often determined by the local community. In many cases the outhouse must be located at least 30 metres (100 feet) from any water source.

The dirt you excavate from the new pit can be used to fill in the old one.

It is worth the time and effort to do your homework on the local and regional rules before you relocate the privy. If your unfriendly neighbor sees you digging a new outhouse pit on a part of your property that he doesn’t approve of, he may decide to make your life difficult, and you could find yourself up the bush without a potty – especially if it isn’t built to code.

When relocating your outhouse it is also a good idea to think about whether or not you plan to install a septic system in the future. The last thing you want to do is locate the outhouse and sanitary pit on top of your ideal septic location.

Regardless of your decision, the outhouse still remains an important and ecologically friendly part of any traditional cabin property. Just remember, if you respect the pit privy it will respect you.

Here is a simple camping toilet that comes in handy when you plan to clean out or move the outhouse. It is also a nice option to have at the cabin for evening use or for cold and rainy days when you would prefer to avoid heading to the outhouse.

Mind blowing...

http://www.cottagetips.com/2012/05/outhouse-is-full-now-what/

 

[tands]

No problem.

At 4 a.m. on June 28, 2009, a battalion of 150 masked Honduran soldiers under orders from Gen. Romeo Vásquez Velásquez initiated a shootout with the Presidential Honor Guard. Honduras’s President Manuel Zelaya was then dragged in his pajamas onto a plane at gunpoint and left on the tarmac in San José, Costa Rica. Foreign Minister Patricia Rodas was also seized by Honduran soldiers and flown out in an aircraft belonging to one of Honduras’s wealthiest billionaires, Miguel Facussé. Power, cell-phone service, and broadcast facilities were promptly cut throughout the capital city Tegucigalpa, followed by a weeklong curfew enforced by tanks in the streets.

Within days, Honduras reverted to its recurrent role as a narco-state due to the coup, as had been in the cases of 1978 and 1987. Public death lists began to circulate.[ii] By 2013 seventy percent of the police would be found “beyond saving,” paid off or themselves engaged in organized crime, including trafficking, extortion, rape, and murder for hire. Twelve percent of Congress was narco.[iii] The son of Porfirio Lobo Sosa, President from 2010 to 2014, was a trafficker trading off of his lucrative government ties.[iv] U.S. funds poured into the unrepentantly brutal Miguel Facussé, a supporter of the 2009 coup and a known kingpin[v] who had acquired his billions by defrauding state enterprises and murdering scores of campesinos until he owned a fifth of the land in the Aguán Valley.[vi]

The coup similarly represented a full takeover by the country’s big ranching, trafficking, oil-palm, and mining interests.[vii] These interlocking political-economic families and cartel chiefs are “violence entrepreneurs” relying on the connections, the budgets, and the impunity provided by the state. This sector of the elite were long accustomed to using terror to get their way economically and politically.

The “continuing coup” has imposed a death toll that is directly caused by the security forces, not due to the surge in the mara violence. Over two hundred campesinos were killed in what is now the world’s most dangerous country for community land advocates.[viii] 215 LGBT people were recorded murdered between July 2009 and 2015, compared to only twenty during 1994-2008, when mara violence was already on the rise.[ix] More than 50 journalists and over 100 lawyers and public prosecutors—even Cabinet ministers—have been gunned down by hitmen and narco-police.

Not even the members of the death squads have been immune.[xi] Deadliest has been the National Party’s embezzlement from the public healthcare system, which condemned over 3,000 to their deaths over 2013-15.[xii] Bertha Oliva, founder of the Committee of Relatives of the Disappeared/Detained, who witnessed her husband get dragged away in the night to be murdered in 1981, concludes that the post-coup regimes are unimaginably worse than the death-squad-ridden military-run regimes that prevailed in the 1980s.[xiii] Decades of hard-won democratization and strengthening of civil society have been permanently reversed by the coup and years of consequent open state aggression.

Despite abundant expert warning, Washington has continuously and directly supported this political violence.[xiv] Over $57 million in direct military aid has been sent to Tegucigalpa for fiscal years 2009-14, in violation of the 1997 Leahy Amendment forbidding military assistance to governments violating human rights.[xv] The U.S. has rewarded the heavily-compromised military and police with a total of $200 million.[xvi] The Honduran forces depend on U.S. training and funding, joint exercises, and “counterinsurgency” intelligence-sharing against campesinos. U.S. agents have sometimes fought alongside Honduran soldiers.[xvii] The ostensible motive for increasing military aid and training was to provide leverage and influence to improve the forces’ deplorable human-rights record.

This series of disasters has occurred strictly because the coup’s perpetrators were allowed to set out all the terms, setting up a successor regime and institutionalizing the cloak of absolute impunity. The Secretary of State’s goal matched the main goal of the coup—to keep Zelaya out, at all cost. She locked out anyone who understood Honduras’s politics and history, in order to avoid changing course. Clinton concealed the preplanned and criminal nature of the coup as it unfolded, at the time when an official declaration would have had the most potentially significant impact. She repeatedly dismissed internal warnings that she was letting a dangerous and corrupt regime succeed, during the most critical time when it could have been reversed.

U.S. Ambassador to Honduras Hugo Llorens warned Clinton about the coup a week in advance.[xviii] He threatened the plotters that the “heavens would fall” if Zelaya was removed, whether by kangaroo court or by outright coup. Washington and the world community would completely choke them off.[xix] However the State Department [Clinton] had also sent John D. Negroponte to consult with the golpistas. As U.S. Ambassador from 1981 to 1985, Negroponte funded and operated the Contra War out of his massive Embassy in Tegucigalpa. He had direct relations with Honduras’s Battalion 3-16, which illegally abducted, clandestinely tortured, and summarily murdered well over 200 victims. He disregarded their atrocities—though he did intervene in selected cases, in order to preserve their secrecy. Negroponte has always vociferously denied the existence of the death squad—as a hoax by the Russian-influenced enemies of freedom.[xx] This was not a case of mixed messages from the Department: the Ambassador had already been sidelined, neutralized by his own superiors.

On the morning of June 28, [the morning of the coup] Ambassador Llorens explicitly reported to Clinton that the coup was preplanned and illegal, a “coordinated effort by the Supreme Court, the Honduran Congress, and the armed forces to prevent President Zelaya from holding a non-binding poll on a possible constituent assembly,” which would have been legal. Llorens told her that “The seizure and expulsion of the President was an intolerable act by the armed forces and we are going to have to say this loud and clear.”[xxi]

But despite being forewarned that either legislative or judiciary removal was going to be flagrantly illegal, Clinton unsteady announced on June 29 [day after the coup] that “We are withholding any formal legal determination” on whether the coup legally counted as a coup.[xxii] This open redefinition of the word “coup” signaled to the new regime that expulsion of the legitimate President was acceptable, so long as the Department certified a subsequent regime as sufficiently “democratic.”[xxiii] Clinton kept all knowledge of the coup’s illegality a state secret before and after the fact, letting the golpistas present their act as spontaneous and at least partly legal in its foundation.

Ambassador Llorens’ July 24 cable, “Open and Shut,” clearly underscored to Clinton and to the White House “that the military, Supreme Court and National Congress had conspired on June 28 in what constituted an illegal and unconstitutional coup […] a hasty, ad-hoc, extralegal, secret, 48-hour process” without even a show trial. Any talk of legality was a sham aimed at those who could reverse the coup—that is, Clinton herself.[xxiv] The Embassy report was a thoroughly-argued smoking gun, but would remain concealed from all public knowledge; it was never used to pressure de facto interim President Roberto Micheletti. Coup supporters in the United States—most prominently the interminable hustler Lanny Davis—quickly scheduled themselves on television to “dispute basic facts about the coup which the U.S. Embassy in Honduras had reported were not subject to reasonable dispute.”[xxv]

Clinton’s own well-trusted staffers were stonewalled if they went against the emerging party line. On August 16, 2009, Anne-Marie Slaughter begged Secretary Clinton to change course and take some noticeable action against Micheletti: “The current stalemate favors the status quo; the de facto regime has every incentive to run out the clock as long as they think we will have to accept any post-election government,”[xxvi] she warned. Instead, Clinton kept the Micheletti regime afloat by continuing aid through the Millennium Challenge Corporation, which she had chaired as Secretary of State. She has even admitted that, in September 2009, she deliberately chose to break the law that cut off MCC aid to any “country whose duly elected head of government is deposed by military coup or decree.”[xxvii]

Slaughter’s letter had concluded that the Department had to “find that [the] coup was a ‘military coup’ under U.S. law,” or else Clinton would continue damaging Obama and the United States’ image.[xxviii] Clinton instead moved to concoct a factitious distinction between a “coup” and a “military coup.”[xxix]Micheletti received $17.5 million in U.S. economic assistance in July and August 2009 alone, and Lobo Sosa would be granted another $100 million for 2010.[xxx] Clinton undoubtedly had wanted to use the money for leverage over Micheletti, but instead it left the de facto President completely secure that any U.S. criticism was for show. Washington would back down if pressure meant restoring Zelaya to his constitutional office. In fact, the oligarchs were being fully guaranteed that aid, investment, and credit would resume flowing by 2010, regardless of conditions. No matter what funds had been suspended, the Department reassured the golpistas that they did have their backs.

From the beginning, the only entity with the power to restore Zelaya[xxxi] had secretly decided to undercut the White House’s initial denunciation of the coup.[xxxii] The State Department’s only goals were the November 29 elections and Micheletti’s departure from office. But without a legitimate President this strategy actually caused the coup’s moment of ultimate victory rather than its defeat.

Clinton’s upbeat view of the election was expressed by Assistant Secretary of State Thomas A. Shannon, Jr., who described it as a way for the Department to keep up the image of being the “only honest broker […] the only hope of the Honduran people” against the coup.[xxxiii] Therefore they gave Micheletti free rein do what he wanted, negating even the harshest of State Department warnings—they offered him full impunity instead.[xxxiv] Deputy Assistant Secretary Craig A. Kelly even edited Micheletti’s speeches, in order to make him look like an anti-coup statesman,[xxxv] if that was what it would take to get him to step down in 2010.

Kelly had warned Clinton in September that Micheletti was engaging in “a deliberate delaying tactic designed to move the country toward elections without Zelaya.”[xxxvi] But on November 3 Shannon attacked the constitutionalists by declaring that Washington recognized the elections whether Zelaya was reinstated or not.[xxxvii] This decision had actually been made in September[xxxviii]: the entirety of the intense San José negotiations between Honduras’s two Presidents had been one big Washington-orchestrated sham to neutralize Zelaya’s legitimacy and delay Honduras’s popular movements.[xxxix] Clinton allowed the Department’s anticipated electoral milestone to be turned into a charade: she in fact burned through all of Washington’s political capital in Latin America and gave up the U.S.’s entire hand over Micheletti.

Clinton’s State Department was in fact rewarding the termination of Honduran democracy. In the weeks before the 2009 election the de facto regime suspended all freedom of expression and association, ordering soldiers to storm radio and TV stations. Hundreds were beaten and tortured in custody; female demonstrators were raped for protesting.[xl] This naked despotism provoked the withdrawal of the hundreds of anti-coup politicians from the election. Independent Presidential candidate Carlos H. Reyes withdrew, after his wrist was broken by a police attack.[xli] Micheletti laid a pall of terror over the campaign, strangulating any meaningful democracy: Clinton was the election’s ultimate gravedigger.

The United Nations, the European Union, the Organization of American States, the Carter Center, and most Latin American governments unequivocally denounced the November 2009 vote as illegitimate.[xlii] Clinton however called the vote “free and fair.” Against the facts she declared in January 2010 that “The Honduras crisis has been managed to a successful conclusion […] without violence,”[xliii] the country having “restore[d] its constitutional and democratic processes through negotiation, without imposition from the outside.”[xliv] Shannon concluded that the election was a triumph for Clinton over both the U.S. Republican Party and those Latin American governments that he deemed “our adversaries in the region” for criticizing the election[xlv]: the election would in fact cost Shannon his initial standing in Latin America.

more

http://www.eurasiareview.com/13042017-a-labyrinth-of-deception-secretary-clinton-and-the-honduran-coup-analysis/

 

[DaveP]

Moving The Outhouse
There are a few situations where it may be better to move the outhouse to a new location:

You would be better off with a "Septic Tank" which biologically solves your problem for you.....Permanently.
In this way you would enter the early 20th century, are you Amish?

DaveP

 

[dmp]

I have moved an outhouse twice with my brother at our family cabin. If anyone has questions.
It only lasted 10 years the first time cause we were young when we did it and didn't dig a big enough hole.

 

[tands]

This is your government, doing these things in your name. Pretending they never happened because you're uncomfortable is pretty weak.  Further, it's what Pence was down there just last week trying to get support for, doing to the people in Venezuela what Clinton and Obama did to the people in Honduras.

In the case of the coup in Venezuela in 2002, we know the following:

- Groups in Venezuela that participated in the coup had been supported financially and politically by the U.S.

- The CIA had advance knowledge of the plans for a coup, and did nothing to warn the Venezuelan government; nor did the US do anything meaningful to try to stop the coup.

- Although the US knew in advance about the plans for a coup, when these events played out, the US tried to claim that there was no coup.

- The US pushed for international recognition of the coup government.

- The International Monetary Fund, which would not take such action without advance approval from the United States, announced its willingness to support the coup government a few hours after the coup took place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/wikileaks-honduras-state_b_789282.html

 

[bluebird]

Lol

This is your government, doing these things in your name. Pretending they never happened because you're uncomfortable is pretty weak.

Absolutely. I take responsibility and I am pretty weak. At the moment I'm to busy trying to secure my own personal comfort to do anything about it.

Unless you live in the woods on an island off the grid and use an outhouse...Your responsible too. This is your government too. Whatever you bought too feed yourself today, and sit on, and connect to the internet with, is supporting the things you are pointing out that are unjust.

That's cool though, I appreciate the effort and have found some of the things you have posted very enlightening. But lets be real here, your not doing anything. This is an DIY electronics forum. We are not the kind of people that are going to suit up and follow you into battle to start a revolution. We have families to support, rent to pay, STUFF TO BUILD.

The world is an ugly, unjust place and I sat around wrestling with that for a long time until something just broke and I realized I was spending way too much emotional energy belly aching about it. If I wasn't going to proactively DO SOMETHING about it... I should spend that energy making the people in my immediate surroundings as happy and comfortable as I could. I can do responsible things like vote and recycle. Maybe donate some money to a cause I believe in. Other than that I got my hands full. If the revolution comes to my door step I'll have to choose a side and fight. But until then, I'm gonna try and slip through too retirement as quietly and quickly as possible. Journalism is important and awareness is important. People who make it their lives to get out there and fight are important. But most of us here are not those people. Nobody is changing the world in the BREWERY on groupdiy.com.

I think we all enjoy the shared interests and company this forum provides, We express our opinions and read others, as a small escape from everyday life. It gets a little heated sometimes but again, no one is really doing anything about anything...

 

[tands]

It's no problem, Clinton lost because she did things like this, and intended to do more. She'll never have the power to do it again, and neither will Obama.

 

 

[bluebird]

Hahahahahhah!

 

[tands]

Unless you live in the woods on an island off the grid and use an outhouse...Your responsible too. This is your government too. Whatever you bought too feed yourself today, and sit on, and connect to the internet with, is supporting the things you are pointing out that are unjust.

That's why I like this so much, it puts a stake in the heart of capitalism.

- When you blame a poor person for not getting a better job, you accept that while their job is necessary, whoever does it should be poor. -

https://twitter.com/existentialcoms/status/855501957288517632

 

[Gene Pink]

I have moved an outhouse twice with my brother ...

I'll bet he was angry, you should have let him out first. 

 

[tands]

Hot take.

Everything that has happened in American life since the election of George W. Bush, the last point at which the generation currently entering its 30s was “up for grabs,” has only served to drive young people away from the Republican Party. At the absolute most, based on polling and election data, only about a third of adults under 30 are Republicans. According to Pew, nearly half of those young Republicans left their party at some point in 2016, with 23 percent of them changing their affiliation for good.

Meanwhile, everyone else in the broadly defined Millennial generation, and even many among the more-conservative Generation X, has become more liberal over the last decade. The Republicans have essentially lost a generation. (Republican pollster and author Kristen Soltis Andersen is my favorite authority on this subject, because she is watching her own movement refuse to grapple with these facts).

Despite that, the Republican Party will continue to field candidates and win elections for the foreseeable future. The two existent parties are entrenched in our electoral system—they effectively control ballot access at every level—so a Whig-style collapse seems out of the cards. The GOP, despite the aging and eventual die-off of its current base of support, will continue to win lots and lots of elections. So they’ll continue to need candidates.

Meanwhile, the only people entering the Republican Party candidate pipeline in the Trump era almost have to be allied with the alt-right, because the alt-right absolutely comprises the only effective and successful youth outreach strategy the GOP currently employs. The future leaders of the GOP aren’t the hooded Klan members or Nazi-tattooed thugs who presented the most cartoonish faces of hate in Charlottesville, but they are their clean-cut fellow marchers, and the many young right-wingers around the nation who sympathize with their cause.

While only a few hundred white nationalists descended on Charlottesville to unite the right, and only a couple of those white nationalists have been identified as active College Republicans, College Republican chapters have been signaling their sympathies for the goals of the marchers ever since the rise of the alt-right.

Cast your mind back to the time when the greatest threat to free speech in American civic life was liberal students attempting to shut down conservative celebrities on college campuses. What was the actual cause of that spate of stories? It was college Republican groups constantly inviting alt-right darling Milo Yiannopoulos to speak at campuses in order to drum up controversy. It is a trolling tactic, yes, but it is also a pretty clear sign that college Republicans are allied with Milo Yiannopoulos.

Elliot Kaufman, writing in The National Review, blames College Republicans for elevating alt-right figures like Milo. He points out that the Columbia College Republicans—Columbia! Surely the last vestige of legacy admissions drawn to conservative politics mainly to protect their inheritances, right?—have already extended speaking invites to Pizzagate propagandist Mike Cernovich and, even more bizarrely, Tommy Robinson, founder of the crypto-fascist English Defence League. They could not be making their affiliations any clearer.

The pool of people the Republican Party will be drawing from when selecting candidates a generation from now will contain these men and hardly anyone else. Cvjetanovic wasn’t the only marcher photographed with a current Republican elected official. Allsup, the erstwhile WSU College Republicans president, was photographed with Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers. “I communicate with people from their office on a fairly regular basis,” he told his student paper a few months ago, also mentioning that members of his organization had earned internships and jobs in her office.

This is the state of the GOP leadership pipeline. In a decade, state legislatures will start filling up with Gamergaters, MRAs, /pol/ posters, Anime Nazis, and Proud Boys. These are, as of now, the only people in their age cohort becoming more active in Republican politics in the Trump era. Everyone else is fleeing. This will be the legacy of Trumpism: It won’t be long before voters who reflexively check the box labeled “Republican” because their parents did, or because they think their property taxes are too high, or because Fox made them scared of terrorism, start electing Pepe racists to Congress.

These future Republican elected officials could easily look very much like rally attendee Nicholas Fuentes, a Boston University student until his decision this week to leave the school. He didn’t appear to be a formal member of any young Republican organizations, but he was a self-described Republican. In interviews, he denies being a white supremacist. On Facebook, after the rally, he wrote: “The rootless transnational elite knows that a tidal wave of white identity is coming.”

That “tidal wave” represents a fraction of the actual American populace, but it will have an outsize grip on the Republican Party for years to come.

http://splinternews.com/charlottesville-was-a-preview-of-the-future-of-the-repu-1797988745

 

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This is your government, doing these things in your name. Pretending they never happened because you're uncomfortable is pretty weak.  Further, it's what Pence was down there just last week trying to get support for, doing to the people in Venezuela what Clinton and Obama did to the people in Honduras.

How many hours a day do you spend reading and thinking about this stuff? Serious question.