Good budget ribbon mics

[Basser75]

I don't think there is any evidence that how a ribbon is stored increases the risk of it sagging. A pre-stretched ribbon is fairly resilient, as Whoops said. Just avoid dropping and blasts of air. There are other things besides pre-stretching that professional companies look for in a leaf material to prevent sagging and breaking as well.

If you're interested in a ribbon with an adjustable tension, check out the BBC Marconi Type A.

 

[MicMan]

Btw. are there really any practical means to prevent the ribbon from sagging? I've heard that you should store the ribbon mics in vertical position but wonder if that is just an urban legend... Maybe detaching the ribbons when not used would help but that isn't very practical. Maybe there could be some kind of mechanical switch which would let the ribbon loose when not used, or tight again when taken into use, plus a threaded screw for adjustments.

BBC mics - when they were ribbons, like the 4038 - stood (or sat, on tables) for years without being adjusted or 'un-sagged' ..and no-one worried about them losing their tension or needing anything done to them. They simply worked, year after year. So don't worry.

The R∅de ribbon (NTR mic) comes with a screw in the top to hold the ribbon steady during transport (during shipping from Australia, etc) to lessen the chance of it suffering from knocks and bangs, with with dainty handling you really don't need to worry. Many old little Reslos in clubs and dancehalls were knocked about repeatedly, but usually withstood everything ..except people blowing into them to test if they were working or not.

If storing a ribbon mic 'flat', then lying the mic on its edge is preferable. But as ribbons themselves are so lightweight (the ribbon itself, not old-style horseshoe magnets!) the likelihood of sagging is pretty much negligible.

 

[Marik]

I think a properly corrugated ribbon, that was pre-tensioned before installation and tensioned correctly when installed will not sag or at least not sag that much.

I haven't seen older Royer R-121 with sagging.

But Marik knowns much more about this topic, he is the expert

Hey Whoops,

That statement is correct! Even though the usual 1.5-1.8um ribbons are light enough, still they do have enough mass to result in some natural sag (even sideways). Properly and correctly corrugated and pre-conditioned ribbon will not 'remember' that deflection and if taken care and not abused should last life long. Some manufacturers indeed do insist on vertical storing. Just make your own conclusion.

Maybe there could be some kind of mechanical switch which would let the ribbon loose when not used, or tight again when taken into use, plus a threaded screw for adjustments.

That would definitely increase the cost quite a bit. Also, any adjustments should be made whether at the factory, or by a qualified tech with ability to precisely control tuning frequency.

Again, a properly manufactured ribbon should not have any problems due to storage. Especially this is true to piston corrugated ribbons, which are very robust in general. I am yet to see one single Beyer with a ribbon out of shape--most of the problems are due to Duralum oxidation. Out of hundreds AL95's we sold only one came back for repair--it was badly blown--somebody gave it a really good and powerful puff... something ribbons do not exactly enjoy)))

Best, M

 

[Nen'O]

Yes I noticed some people swap the transformer for a Lundahl... and most people commented not to border with that, it only makes it more expensive, not better.

I've also read there's a piece of foam inside the basket and removing that will improve high frequency a bit but it will also make the microphone more sensitive to airflow.

I'll just use it as is...

When I asked Igor about swapping stock transformer in his mic for lundahl he adviced me not to do it. He said that lundahl is great transformer but it’s more about matching resistance of motor and transformer to get great sounding mic.

 

[s wave]

There is a guy on YT who makes Royer style DIY mics for under $100, Dima Pavlenko:

3D Printed DIY Ribbon Microphone | Lundahl LL2912 vs Hand Made Transformers​

is the title. He lightly touches on many nuggets of information. I just 3D printed up my own personal design down at the library for free out of PLA plastic. As soon as I find (or obtain) an amorphous ring I will wind up a transformer. In my design I am using stronger N52 magnets (vs N42). I am aiming on perfecting a top pro passive ribbon mic for under $10 and elbow grease. Mic making is about matching and adjusting... to obtain the desired goal.

 

[Paul W]

Has anyone tried the Sterling ST170 active (phantom powered) ribbon, which goes on sale for 100 USD sometimes?

They advertise a 20-20KHz frequency response, but a plot on their website shows it's down 5dB at 10KHz and 15dB by about 14Khz, where the plot stops.

 

[abbey road d enfer]

Publishing a frequency response without indicating the limits (+/- X dB) is a very common deception.
Loudspeaker response is often +/-10dB.
Many like ribbon mics for their subdued HF response.
Try it, you may like it (or not).

 

[SubSpec]

Has anyone tried the Sterling ST170 active (phantom powered) ribbon, which goes on sale for 100 USD sometimes?

They advertise a 20-20KHz frequency response, but a plot on their website shows it's down 5dB at 10KHz and 15dB by about 14Khz, where the plot stops.

Caveat: These are the only ribbons I've used and I'm no more than a hobbiest so take my opinion for what it's worth.

I have a couple of them, will likely add a couple more (as secondary overheads for a different flavor). One lives on the bottom side of my snare and the other on the hi-hat. My snare tones have never been better. I'm probably using a 70/30 mix of it and the top 57 (70% ST170).

I opened one awhile back and was pleasantly surprised to find Wima caps under the hood.

It is predictably dark and compressed but still detailed, not muddy or muffled, and easy enough to drive with any reasonable preamp.

For the price, and given GC's return policy, no reason not to try it I think.

 

[mcdavis]

I also have a few st170, my hands on experience with other ribbons is low as I’ve only ever worked in my own room with my own gear, but I’m happy to have the st170, the price is great and they are not a limiting factor in the outcome of any project I’ve used them on.

 

[cfanzalone]

Howdy,

I've had great success with the Apex 460 modified by Steven Sank (Talking Dog Transducers)...for $99.00 outlay and the around $200.00 for the mod with NOS RCA ribbon material and a Cinemag tranny, I have 5 of them and they beat ANY others for about 25% of the price of the "Big Boys"...

Ribbons a GREAT, depending on the source and the proper use...Ribbons ARE a different beast!! and one has to know how to use them correctly!!!!!

Blessings

 

[Khron]

Apex 460

http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Apex-Electronics/460

Really? Stuck a ribbon motor into one of those?

 

[rock soderstrom]

http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Apex-Electronics/460

Really? Stuck a ribbon motor into one of those?

I was thinking the same thing. I guess the Apex 210B was meant. Its also known as T.bone RB500.

 

[cfanzalone]

WOah!!!

So Sorry, I stand much corrected...YES, The 210 or 210B...You can't go wrong!

Blessings

 

[terry setter]

I bought some NADY long ribbon mics about 15 years ago. At that time, several other makers sold the exact same mic with different logos on them. They were very inexpensive and they sound better than many of the low-budget contenders I have compared them to. Overall, I think that the long ribbons tend to sound better than the short ones, though there could be many reasons for that which are not limited to the length of the ribbon (and, I could be wrong!). The Cascade Vin-Jet, long ribbon mic also seems to be a standout among the less expensive makes.

 

[HerbertR]

Hi, I could get a Pair of Nohype Lrm2-b with standard transformers for a good price. does anyone know which Lundahl transformer is included in the "upgraded" Lundahl version? LL 2912 (with amorphous cobalt core, ratio 1:37) or the LL2915 (with mu-metal permalloy core, ratio 1:35). The LL2915 is also a bit bigger. Has anyone checked the transformer? There are also versions of these two "naked" transformers with Shield- Cans (LL2913 and 2914) available. Regards Herbert

 

[klem]

Why not ask the man himself? J-P Gérard nohypeaudio a t gmail period com
Even if you are not buying directly from him, I imagine he'd answer your question within a day or two max. There are some things he won't discuss to protect the IP, but I'd be surprised if the LL model was one of them. In any event, he's always been both polite and helpful whenever I've contacted him.

 

[TwentyTrees]

Why not ask the man himself? J-P Gérard nohypeaudio a t gmail period com
Even if you are not buying directly from him, I imagine he'd answer your question within a day or two max. There are some things he won't discuss to protect the IP, but I'd be surprised if the LL model was one of them. In any event, he's always been both polite and helpful whenever I've contacted him.

Seconded - lovely chap, and always very happy to help when I've contacted him in the past.

 

[Whoops]

I was thinking the same thing. I guess the Apex 210B was meant. Its also known as T.bone RB500.
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The T.Bone RB500 it's a Great microphone for a very cheap price,
it's impressive.

I have 2x and use them all the time.

Highly recommended

 

[Kensound]

The Coles 4038, originally designed by the BBC in the '50s is still the best ribbon out there. The downside is they're over £2k (that's British pounds) per pair!

 

[HerbertR]

I have been informed that both Lundahl's LL2912+15 work excellently in a NH LRM-2B. The round shielding "metal box" in the microphone with the small standard transformer measures inside space of 35 mm in diameter and 22 mm in height. So I decided to go with the smaller amorphous Cobalt core LL2912, as it should theoretically fit in without any fiddling around. The Permalloy LL2915 is theoretically too big to use this shielding can. The standard transformer is really tiny. Nevertheless, these microphones sound imo very good in initial tests with the Stock TX and especially in XY . Wow... I would not have thought so...