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I just got reply from ARK guys, they are not making capsules, in their mics capsules are made in china factory to theirs specs and those are not for resale.
They offer reskinning old capsules.
Sorry for spamming with wrong leads.
 
I have a Gefell m930 which contains a Gefell M7 and Dany D7. I could pit a mic against another mic, but I can’t open the m930 in order to try different capsules in the same circuit. I tried before. I think it is glued shut. For whatever it is worth I like Dany’s better but it could be I have them installed in mic circuits I like better than the m930.
 
M930 is a great mic, but pretty sure it doesn’t have M7 capsule
It’s hard to find reliable information, but from what I’ve read, the M930 uses an “M930 capsule,” which is a cardioid-only (single-sided) “M9” capsule, which itself is just a Mylar version of the PVC M7. So it both is and isn’t an “M7,” ha.

I have a Thiersch-reskinned Gefell M7, but it was reskinned with Mylar, so I suppose it’s an “M9” now.
 
M930 does its own thing, and it’s definitely not glued shut. Quite the opposite… it’s super-easy to open! In my memory, you just unscrew it from the bottom.

Also, as you can see with the -180degree view, while there is a massive attenuation off axis signal with this mic, it does tend be a bit bright sounding
 
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At some point Andreas Stenzel @Ericbazaar mentioned trying out the 3U M7 in a/some mics, but kept using Thiersch/Rico Vetterlein’s capsules for his work. I can imagine that is part a question of quality/tonal quality, and in part a question of keeping things (east) German.

Maybe he can chime in on his impressions? He tends to do measurements on all his mics, so I guess he’d have some data to backup any impression as well.
 
M930 does its own thing, and it’s definitely not glued shut. Quite the opposite… it’s super-easy to open! In my memory, you just unscrew it from the bottom.

Also, as you can see with the -180degree view, while there is a massive attenuation off axis signal with this mic, it does tend be a bit bright sounding
Well, while that may be true of certain ones, mine have proved to be impossible to open by hand. I read cases from other users who also found theirs were glued shut and had to make a special tool to open them. Also good to know is that the m930 screws open from opposite direction you’d expect it to. Like, reverse. Not righty tighty. That’s what I read from folks who’ve managed to open theirs. Mine wouldn’t come open either way. I’m not an old man yet, I go to the gym every day, and although I am not a body builder, I’m pretty sure if mine would come open by hand they would’ve come open already. I tried hard. Maybe yours were a different era of production. The ones I have are from pretty recently. I purchased them new in 2020.

Anyway, yeah it is a pretty bright mic to be honest. I used these as overheads on a lot of sessions. Usually they needed either zero boost or some subtle taming (attenuation) of the HF’s during mixing. More and more often I’m just preferring ribbons as overheads… But sometimes you need the clarity of a condenser. When I’m not recording piano at the same time, I use my Schoeps pair as overheads instead of the m930’s. Much better sound. On the other hand, the m930’s are very useable for just about anything you can think of. I put them in the “they don’t suck but they aren’t amazing” category.
 
It looks a lot like an M7 but i don‘t think the M9 is just a mylar skinned M7.

It has a deliberate treble lift, for a more "modern" sound if you will.
BTW, the first Gefell mic that had this capsule (and headbasket) was the M990. Great tube microphone.

M1030 is like the M930, but with a larger headbasket (and body, consequently). This does make a noticeable difference.
 
Well, while that may be true of certain ones, mine have proved to be impossible to open by hand. I read cases from other users who also found theirs were glued shut and had to make a special tool to open them. Also good to know is that the m930 screws open from opposite direction you’d expect it to. Like, reverse. Not righty tighty. That’s what I read from folks who’ve managed to open theirs. Mine wouldn’t come open either way. I’m not an old man yet, I go to the gym every day, and although I am not a body builder, I’m pretty sure if mine would come open by hand they would’ve come open already. I tried hard. Maybe yours were a different era of production. The ones I have are from pretty recently. I purchased them new in 2020.

Anyway, yeah it is a pretty bright mic to be honest. I used these as overheads on a lot of sessions. Usually they needed either zero boost or some subtle taming (attenuation) of the HF’s during mixing. More and more often I’m just preferring ribbons as overheads… But sometimes you need the clarity of a condenser. When I’m not recording piano at the same time, I use my Schoeps pair as overheads instead of the m930’s. Much better sound. On the other hand, the m930’s are very useable for just about anything you can think of. I put them in the “they don’t suck but they aren’t amazing” category.
Haha, okay. I guess I should say that the M930 I opened was easy to get open!
As for the overheads, there's a reason why Schoeps are well loved in general, and especially in that role, but then again, some people love C12s as overheads, and I would think that M930s could put you in a similar direction for the top-end boost.

Really, I think the M930 shines on modern pop vocals. :)

Anyway, back to the topic! Has anyone by chance compared a regular AliExpress M7 to a 3U M7 (preferably to other M7s that are available such as Thiersch's or Ben Sneezby's)?
 
My personal impression: I found the sound of the m930 a little "boxed", small, mainly in the low, low-mid bass. I thought it could be a step up from the TLM103 but no, as for the low end it seems a little artificial, limited to me. I don't know how to describe it exactly but the Spanish guitar sounds like smaller and less expensive. On male vocals and on guitar the MT930 sounds smaller than the TLM, than my C48, than the MT71 to me - and "I suppose" the same other M7 mics.. Is it the capsule? Is it the housing? I don't know. I insist, it is just my impression. I didn't own the mic and didn't keep samples of the test, before you ask. Greetings
 
My personal impression: I found the sound of the m930 a little "boxed", small, mainly in the low, low-mid bass. I thought it could be a step up from the TLM103 but no, as for the low end it seems a little artificial, limited to me. I don't know how to describe it exactly but the Spanish guitar sounds like smaller and less expensive. On male vocals and on guitar the MT930 sounds smaller than the TLM, than my C48, than the MT71 to me - and "I suppose" the same other M7 mics.. Is it the capsule? Is it the housing? I don't know. I insist, it is just my impression. I didn't own the mic and didn't keep samples of the test, before you ask. Greetings
I have used a pair of M930 constantly during the last 15 years. They used to be my go-to mics in the locker, because they get the job done even in narrow spaces due to their amazingly compact size and very little self noise. They used to be my first choice for male vocals as well - until I built my first U47-ish Thiersch-M7-mic. In the meantime I have experimented with other constructions and M7s and I am quite sure about one thing:

The M9 (M930) cardioid capsule does absolutely not sound similar to any other M7 I have heard and used, regardless of mic housing. This being said, I share one of your impressions: The M930 can sound a bit "boxed", indeed, but never really thin in the bass - other than quite some modern U87. In that "boxed" and slightly upper-mid/treble hyped regard the M930 capsule sounds way more like a K47.

A well made, modern M7 to my ears has a far more elegant air and a certain "gloss", while the M930 can deliver mix-ready signals that cut through on their own by being a little mid/high weighted. Also great for strings btw.

Conclusion: M9 is a very different beast altogether. See for yourself (standardized audio recordings with identical takes/signals/configurations/levels; all cardioid):

Neumann U87 80s

M930 (2009)

WA47jr (chinese K47 capsule)

U47-ish mic (Telefunken EF806S, Thiersch M7, Haufe BV8)

U47-ish mic (JJ EF86, chinese M7 & BV8)
 

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