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Well the difference seems to be that some want these knobs to restore old Neve stuffe whereas others just want them for their Neve clones.

$15 to replace a knob on a $2000 vintage preamp isn't a lot.
$60 for 4 knobs on a Neve clone is something else.

Just my tought...
 
Hank Dussen said:
Well the difference seems to be that some want these knobs to restore old Neve stuffe whereas others just want them for their Neve clones.

$15 to replace a knob on a $2000 vintage preamp isn't a lot.
$60 for 4 knobs on a Neve clone is something else.

Just my tought...


And that's the whole point.  After all this IS a DIY forum on which it's posted.  DIY'ers won't pay $15/knob.  Jrowell, are you familiar with the work that skylar did on the U47 body reproductions?  They look fantastic.  If he pulls off anything of that quality, the regulars on this forum will be pleased as punch, as will PLENTY of other people.  Let the man do his thing and at least get a sample, and THEN if you want to critique...
 
Yes I agree completely.

There are two different sets of needs here.

$15.00 or $20.00 dollars a knob is excellent when you are looking at $40 + for originals now.

But I think my real point is from a business perspective.

Anytime you can offer an excellent reproduction of something for half the original used and beat up price, you have a real winner.

If that is what is done, I foresee a large number of sales to restorers and console owners.

More than could ever be made up by doing a $5 - $8 Knob and having it be a DIY only thing.

I am an old car nut too, and I have seen this pattern all take place in that market over the last 20 years.

10 years ago it started happening in this market too.

Back then you couldn't get any repro pre amps, or remade transformers etc.

It is happening exactly the same way as the vintage car resto market.

I expect it will go to the same conclusion through the same steps and echelons. 
 
Therefore the same lessons can be taken, as from the vintage car resto market.

Skylar, if they look like the Solidworks art on the first post, we are great.

I had to look twice at the one, at very first glance I thought it was a photo.

Stunning.
 
jrowell said:
If that is what is done, I foresee a large number of sales to restorers and console owners.

More than could ever be made up by doing a $5 - $8 Knob and having it be a DIY only thing.

What you are missing is that if you are offering a $15-$20 knob it will be a Vintage Neve owner only thing as probably most DIY'er won't bother.
If the goal is to make the exact knob like the real thing but "only" for $20 you might as well stop the discussion here and take it to gearslutz as all your future customer base is there.
So the only solution as i see it will be offering a $5-$8 knob with very good quality, if that is possible.

And honestly as with everything branded "vintage" it rarely is worth the money if you look from a realistic view point. $40 for a knob simply is overpriced, no matter what. Those knobs just cost as much simply because people can charge it and other people will buy it because they want to keep their vintage gear in original condition, not because they think $40 for the knob is a fair price. As we DIY'er don't have to worry about our clones being in original condition as all units aren't original to begin with, everything that remains is the ridicolous price, no matter if $40 or $20.

Flo
 
The thing that I question in all of this... how many people with vintage Neve gear that use vintage Marconi knobs (10xx series and 225x series, etc), really need that many more knobs other than a couple of spares to have around just in case?  Because of the quality of the knob, it's seems to me to be rather rare that they break.  I've never personally even seen a broken one nor walked into a studio in the last ten years and seen their 1073's or console missing a knob.  Maybe in the 80's and 90's that was more common, but this won't be the first reproduction run of Marconi-style knobs since they were last manufactured in the 1970's.  Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I would wager that the majority of people that had mangled modules with broken or missing knobs have likely found other means of replacing them already.

So then what will the motivation be for Neve owners to buy all of these thousands of "perfect" and expensive knobs that skylar has to make in order to fill a minimum order?  At $15-$20 per knob, they're not going to replace all the knobs on a console just because they look dirty.  If Skylar comes up with something that looks extremely close for $5-8, someone missing a knob or two will either be elated to get them at such a price, or they will call AMS-Neve and spend $35 to get their version.  After all, they have a module worth $3000+, so in that case I suppose it would be worth it to pay $35 for a knob.

The thing that I see missing all the time are the colored knob inserts on Neve 33114 and Calrec PQ1061 series knobs.  That style of knob just used adhesive to affix the plastic insert disc and those things fall off all the time and get lost.  Now those would be a huge draw for owners of vintage gear that use that style of knob.
 
Not always the case of having a mangled module, that needs knobs. But often a very rare and great condition module that has worn knobs.

Cracked and yellowing or loose underskirts, loose brass inserts (that one is easy) knicks, and little chunks out of corners, that is fairly common. Yellowing knobs, etc.

These are the most common problems.

All I am saying is if a 100pt repro could be made for half the cost, or a little less, of the market value of used originals, that is a winner in most markets.

The sound, quality, and desirability of original Neve gear has elevated this into a vintage car style restoration aftermarket territory. We should be proud that we are still able to use such tools, and that something like that happened in our industry. It goes to the inherent musicality of most all vintage Neve equipment. 

The original knobs are that high because there are very few loose ones floating around.

There have been perfect repros of the NAD style knobs available for some time. They are in that $12.00 to $15.00ea or so area, and they are perfectly identical to the originals. Except not dried up and shrunk.

The Marconi's have been an issue for a long time. This would cover all ends for Neve restoration, and reproduction.

I understand about DIYer's wanting an inexpensive price, but practically speaking $5-8 dollars just isn't enough to make those knobs right. Maybe at 50,000+ pcs.

I am just attempting to split the difference, and get something really great, for a reasonable price.

Hopefully it ends up around the price of the NAD repros.

Then we could satisfy both markets as it is clear there isn't the volume to do a 'repro' and a 'look-a-like'

Of course, I won't complain if they are cheaper, I would be very surprised, and happy.
 
jrowell said:
There have been perfect repros of the NAD style knobs available for some time. They are in that $12.00 to $15.00ea or so area, and they are perfectly identical to the originals.

Hopefully it ends up around the price of the NAD repros.


jrowell, Can you point us to a source for the NAD reproductions, please?  I'd love to see them. Cheers.
 
sadly, i emailed hook studios about a year ago and they kindly said that they do not offer these knobs anymore and directed me to brent averill.
i'm still holding out for skylar to take this on once he clears his EQU47 mic  bodies. ;D
best regards,
grant


 
Hey Andre, skylar's cad drawings are all fully dimensioned and in the group diy gmail account I think.

I am surprised a Chinese manufacturer hasn't pinched all the dwg files and flooded the market with these knobs....

Mac
 
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