canidoit said:
I think DIY projects should come with a step by step guide. The designers could have saved some time trying to help people if their guides and manuals were more intuitive, if they have any.
Also a basic parts list with part numbers or links. Not trying to offend designers, but you are already designing the build and buying the parts, what's so hard about cutting and pasting from the list you used from mouser or digikey, etc.
Atleast it will give people an idea of what part to look for even if they decide not to use your parts. Like know what the specs, how the part looks like, measurements, etc. with the links you provide.
People say its rather lazy of builders if they ask for parts list and step by step guide, but I think it also goes for the designers. Its only recently that I have encountered DIY kits that do not have step by step instructions. All the DIY kits I have bought previously always have a step by step guide, which includes electronics, softwares, etc.
I originally started off and ranted on what an ass you are sometimes. I thought about it while composing it and realized it was the wrong way to go about this, because your somewhat correct.
For what your asking you should expect to pay $75-100 for what was a $25 pcb or 3x to 4x the price.
You have these 8 typical types of people here:
1) Those who design circuits
2) Those who design PCB
3) Those who design case's and front panels
3) Those who create's BOM's
4) Those who organize group buys or kits
5) Those who do not build stuff (or building that project), but provide advise
6) Those who build the stuff, and help others with what they learned
7) Those who build the stuff
8)
Those who complain
With the White Market changes in the last year and a half, the offerings are more full offerings.
Take the 1176, Mnats sells the pcbs and he has some documentation published. You also have the original OEM manual. At Hairball audio you can get a few kit options, find links to a mouser BOM. Without going to more than 3-5 suppliers and some time you have a new 1176 of 4 flavors.
Take all Igor's stuff, he offers it Al la Cart in PCB, Kits, sometimes cases and has documentation for the build. He always has a schematic and BOM for the projects, with most of the critical part info illustrated to help you order the correct parts.
The new Shadowbuss SSL, is available every way but built.
The Silent Arts PCB items are in Kit or PCB form depending on what were talking about. Schematics are available and BOM are listed, you just have to pick parts and order.
Jeff's options, are Kit, PCB, with docs available or emailed upon purchase.
PeterP options....Semi Kit, PCB and a BOM.
.... I could honestly go on
So... I guess what I'm trying to say is if your in the 7-8 realm step up or keep your mouth shut and open up a catalog and figure out what you need from the schematic or provided BOMS. If something is not obviously clear then read through the build thread to see if it has already been brought up and if not then post.
Most people tend to ignore people who seem to constantly complain and or cry wolf. This was a member here who would spam out the build threads with spurts and spurts of info, almost like typing out what he was thinking and arguing with himself in public. That gets you a nice long ride on the short buss to isolation, just like ranting about the same thing in different places.
Honestly I spent some time looking at BOMS that were provided learning about the parts and pieces and why I wanted to use them. I asked some dumb questions myself, pissed in the wind etc, but I got over it. When I get a new project I scan the PCB's sides. I compare the pcb to the schematic, helps get me familiar with the circuit and shows the unfortunate cases of errors.. I verify the parts list to the BOM and stuff what I have. I then take the list of items I don't have and measure any of the sized parts like caps for lead space. Then I open up my favorite supplier and go to town finding the parts. Thats why at this point I don't do BOM's, which I have done in the past. I do help people when there trying to do a BOM for a project I'm working on to help those who are catalog challenged.
Lastly, I'm in no way trying to attack you personally as some of your documentation effort on the forum has actually helped me.
You can do it if you set your mind to it, think a little, read a little.. before you do do it or ask it.
