NewYorkDave
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No, no... I'm just talking about those ten or twenty projects that everybody and his brother seem to be building: all the "G" stuff, the LA-2A, Green Pre, 1081, etc.
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rafafredd
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Yes, I´m with Dave.
I think this would be a good thing to create a new forum. Then it would be one for the discussion of NEW IDEAS, uncomplete projects, theory, parts, electronics in general, experiments, etc...
The other one is for the discussion of building existing, documented and tested projects, including clones or new ones that are done. It would also be the lace to troubleshoot this projects.
I think this is a very clear division, and that it would also help a lot, don´t you think?
I think this would be a good thing to create a new forum. Then it would be one for the discussion of NEW IDEAS, uncomplete projects, theory, parts, electronics in general, experiments, etc...
The other one is for the discussion of building existing, documented and tested projects, including clones or new ones that are done. It would also be the lace to troubleshoot this projects.
I think this is a very clear division, and that it would also help a lot, don´t you think?
I've been thinking about creating another forum a lot more lately, for the same reasnos expressed above. As most of us know, this was discussed a few times before, with a pretty even split between Yay and Nay. I see both sides, but I think 1 more forum might become necessary soon.
Perhaps keep the lab as a place to talk about projects/troubleshoot/Show&Tell/etc. and have another forum with just information: Articles, Schematics, Theory.--not to exclude the newbies (cuz I too am still a newb) this latter place would be the place to ask all the newbie to not-so-newb questions as well. Then the lab can be strictly project oriented (application specific), and the new forum would be strictly information oriented.
If you like that idea say "YAY" and I'll do it tonight if more than just a few people like the idea.
Perhaps keep the lab as a place to talk about projects/troubleshoot/Show&Tell/etc. and have another forum with just information: Articles, Schematics, Theory.--not to exclude the newbies (cuz I too am still a newb) this latter place would be the place to ask all the newbie to not-so-newb questions as well. Then the lab can be strictly project oriented (application specific), and the new forum would be strictly information oriented.
If you like that idea say "YAY" and I'll do it tonight if more than just a few people like the idea.
Mbira
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Right, but you see what I mean...My eyes hurt from too much soldering, so I'm gonna go home now and eat some dinner. Later...
Joel
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rafafredd
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YAY, BUT, I would keep The Lab as the theory, experimentations, ideas, etc place, and would create another forum for the tested projects, troubleshooting, mods, etc...
I think everybody will like this way in the end.
I think everybody will like this way in the end.
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tubejay
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I agree, the scroll rate here is insane. We should at least split the lab into two parts. If we started with two parts, then we could determine if there was need to split it up even more.
We could do the "lab" with is about theory and design, and then one for clones, and DIY help of all varieties.
I don't think it should be split into more than three categories, and I honestly think if it were split in two, that might be enough.
We could do the "lab" with is about theory and design, and then one for clones, and DIY help of all varieties.
I don't think it should be split into more than three categories, and I honestly think if it were split in two, that might be enough.
Mbira
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NAY
I just think it wouldn't work. I like the concept of it but too many threads cross those boundries.
1)What is the reason that _____works in the _____clone.)
2) I want to modify_______commercial product with ________new idea.
3) How does this homemade op-amp compare to _______ commercial product? New design? clone?
Where would these go?
I'm with CJ-if it ain't broke- don't fix it.
I just think it wouldn't work. I like the concept of it but too many threads cross those boundries.
1)What is the reason that _____works in the _____clone.)
2) I want to modify_______commercial product with ________new idea.
3) How does this homemade op-amp compare to _______ commercial product? New design? clone?
Where would these go?
I'm with CJ-if it ain't broke- don't fix it.
Well... The thing is, the scroll rate will only get worse.
I have to create another forum. in the interest of my own sanity as well, I just can't keep up with topics.
So let's just reasonably agree on HOW to divide. Reach a reasonable consensus and just do it. I'm all ears.
I have to create another forum. in the interest of my own sanity as well, I just can't keep up with topics.
So let's just reasonably agree on HOW to divide. Reach a reasonable consensus and just do it. I'm all ears.
electronaut
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[quote author="rafafredd"]I think this would be a good thing to create a new forum. Then it would be one for the discussion of NEW IDEAS, uncomplete projects, theory, parts, electronics in general, experiments, etc...
The other one is for the discussion of building existing, documented and tested projects, including clones or new ones that are done. It would also be the lace to troubleshoot this projects.
I think this is a very clear division, and that it would also help a lot, don´t you think?[/quote]
I wholeheartedly agree that there should only be ONE additional forum, not many, and so far Raf's division is the most sensible to me.
The other one is for the discussion of building existing, documented and tested projects, including clones or new ones that are done. It would also be the lace to troubleshoot this projects.
I think this is a very clear division, and that it would also help a lot, don´t you think?[/quote]
I wholeheartedly agree that there should only be ONE additional forum, not many, and so far Raf's division is the most sensible to me.
NewYorkDave
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I'm with Raf, too. I propose these names:
The Drawing Board
The Lab
The Black Market
The Brewery
The Drawing Board
The Lab
The Black Market
The Brewery
CJ
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I think if we got the search engine working a bit better, we would eliminate a lot of duplicte threads, like "What's the best soldering iron to buy" etc.
Before, people were more reluctant to post unless they felt they had a topic deemed worthy of a new thread, where as now it's kind of a free for all. Now, it's like we have replaced a good Google session.
And also, we used to get off on tangents more often. This would have the effect of combining maybe three or four threads into one, which greatly helps the scroll rate. Kind of like car pooling.
But still, I can scroll through two pages of threads in about 5 minutes to get an overview of what the latest is. And 95 percent of them are stuff I don't have the ability to comment on.
But if the Mod says we need it, I think we should respect that since they are doing a lot of work. So I change my vote to"Let's give it a try and if it dosen't work out, we can always go back to one Lab or modify the way the Lab is split."
Before, people were more reluctant to post unless they felt they had a topic deemed worthy of a new thread, where as now it's kind of a free for all. Now, it's like we have replaced a good Google session.
And also, we used to get off on tangents more often. This would have the effect of combining maybe three or four threads into one, which greatly helps the scroll rate. Kind of like car pooling.
But still, I can scroll through two pages of threads in about 5 minutes to get an overview of what the latest is. And 95 percent of them are stuff I don't have the ability to comment on.
But if the Mod says we need it, I think we should respect that since they are doing a lot of work. So I change my vote to"Let's give it a try and if it dosen't work out, we can always go back to one Lab or modify the way the Lab is split."
rafafredd
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[quote author="Mbira"]NAY
I just think it wouldn't work. I like the concept of it but too many threads cross those boundries.
1)What is the reason that _____works in the _____clone.)
2) I want to modify_______commercial product with ________new idea.
3) How does this homemade op-amp compare to _______ commercial product? New design? clone?
Where would these go?
I'm with CJ-if it ain't broke- don't fix it.[/quote]
Think like this...
If you for any reason thinks a post belongs one of the two forums, just post it where you think it belongs. If I, or any other people do not agree, there won´t be a fight, for sure. Your post will remain on the forum you chose OR it will be moved by one of the moderators. No pain.
But, think about the many posts WE are sure about where it belongs, like "my SSL clone doens work???" or "should I build a G9 or an API" ETC... Thos belongs at the clones, and tested projects forum.
Now, ""biasing of BJTs" or "new transformerless tube input stage"... Those belongs to The Lab!!! No questions about this.
So, even if we get one or two posts a week in the wrong place, we will have many posts in the right place, so I think another forum will be GOOD!
Just my opinion. Off coarse, it´s really important to hear everyone that wants to discuss this. I also think that Ethan should wait two or three days before making any changes, so that people might have a chance to see this thread and give their opinion.
I just think it wouldn't work. I like the concept of it but too many threads cross those boundries.
1)What is the reason that _____works in the _____clone.)
2) I want to modify_______commercial product with ________new idea.
3) How does this homemade op-amp compare to _______ commercial product? New design? clone?
Where would these go?
I'm with CJ-if it ain't broke- don't fix it.[/quote]
Think like this...
If you for any reason thinks a post belongs one of the two forums, just post it where you think it belongs. If I, or any other people do not agree, there won´t be a fight, for sure. Your post will remain on the forum you chose OR it will be moved by one of the moderators. No pain.
But, think about the many posts WE are sure about where it belongs, like "my SSL clone doens work???" or "should I build a G9 or an API" ETC... Thos belongs at the clones, and tested projects forum.
Now, ""biasing of BJTs" or "new transformerless tube input stage"... Those belongs to The Lab!!! No questions about this.
So, even if we get one or two posts a week in the wrong place, we will have many posts in the right place, so I think another forum will be GOOD!
Just my opinion. Off coarse, it´s really important to hear everyone that wants to discuss this. I also think that Ethan should wait two or three days before making any changes, so that people might have a chance to see this thread and give their opinion.
electronaut
Well-known member
[quote author="rafafredd"]I also think that Ethan should wait two or three days before making any changes, so that people might have a chance to see this thread and give their opinion.[/quote]
Agreed.
Then...
Bring on The Drawing Board!
Agreed.
Then...
Bring on The Drawing Board!
CJ
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One thing to remember, if we do the split, it cuts the scroll rate in half, but if your like me, you end up going thru both forums to see all the stuff anyway, so what is accomplished? Instead of a mouse click to page 2, we have replaced it with a mouse click to "The Drawing Board." So what's the net gain? Keeping yourself on the front page?
rafafredd
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I also would like to say that I hate the other ideas of spliting in many forums. Like the EQs, COMPS, AMPS, etc...
I vote for split in two forums only. One for CLONES, TESTED PROJECT and TROUBLESHOOT, EXISTING MODS, ETC and another one for NEW IDEAS, THEORY, EXPERIMENTS, NEW MODS (not tested stuff in general, seeking for design help, how should I do to make this, etc.)...
For me the line is clear.
I vote for split in two forums only. One for CLONES, TESTED PROJECT and TROUBLESHOOT, EXISTING MODS, ETC and another one for NEW IDEAS, THEORY, EXPERIMENTS, NEW MODS (not tested stuff in general, seeking for design help, how should I do to make this, etc.)...
For me the line is clear.
Let me bite the bullet and bare the cross. I don't want to make anyone feel slighted, but I also don't want to go around in circles and not get anything accomplished. So kick, yell, and scream at me if ya don't like it after a while, but let's at least try it this way because I think it will be the easiest for transition...
The Lab -- Keep all projects here, questions pertaining to specific projects, troubleshooting, etc (I think this will be easier of a transition because we already have more project oriented discussion here than theory).
The Drawing Board -- Theory, Questions about theory, design discussions, Original work, etc...
YES, I KNOW there will be things that fall inbetween (as with all things in life), but we'll deal with it as necessary.
If this doesn't work out in a month. Blindfold me and aim.
The Lab -- Keep all projects here, questions pertaining to specific projects, troubleshooting, etc (I think this will be easier of a transition because we already have more project oriented discussion here than theory).
The Drawing Board -- Theory, Questions about theory, design discussions, Original work, etc...
YES, I KNOW there will be things that fall inbetween (as with all things in life), but we'll deal with it as necessary.
If this doesn't work out in a month. Blindfold me and aim.
rafafredd
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maybe not all the users are interested in EVERYTHING. I have seen people like Gus and NYDave not happy with the scroll down to find the threads they wants to contribute to. And those people contributes a lot!! So, let´s make it easier for them to do it! It will also make the forums more organized. I´m sure that when they are willing to help newbies, like me, with clone building and troubleshooting, and they have the free time to do so, they will have a look at the clones forum also. But it´s freewill.
CJ
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Go for it!
But beware, it is just going to make this place more popular!
:guinness:
But beware, it is just going to make this place more popular!
:guinness:
The thing is that threads can - and routinely do - change topics two, three, four times within a single thread. The 1GOhm group buy thread (the group buy is still open - shameless plug :green
over at the black market touches not only on the group buy, but on what alternative resistors are out there, what projects need the resistors, thermal noise in different resistors, among others. There's even some bickering and disagreements. Considering there are noticeably less peole who check The Brewery and the Black Market than those who check The Lab, tons of important information is already being overlooked by a lot people because there's three separate fora.
Having said that, I see the points being made, and understand the reasoning behind some people's call for a fourth forum... So:
[quote author="Ethan"]I have to create another forum.[/quote]
Can I at least keep the ability of looking at The Lab, plus whatever offshoot forum you create in the same page? Like someone mentioned a coupe of posts ago? If that's possible, I think most of us who are in the nay camp wouldn't really mind, i don't think...
Peace,
Al.
over at the black market touches not only on the group buy, but on what alternative resistors are out there, what projects need the resistors, thermal noise in different resistors, among others. There's even some bickering and disagreements. Considering there are noticeably less peole who check The Brewery and the Black Market than those who check The Lab, tons of important information is already being overlooked by a lot people because there's three separate fora.Having said that, I see the points being made, and understand the reasoning behind some people's call for a fourth forum... So:
[quote author="Ethan"]I have to create another forum.[/quote]
Can I at least keep the ability of looking at The Lab, plus whatever offshoot forum you create in the same page? Like someone mentioned a coupe of posts ago? If that's possible, I think most of us who are in the nay camp wouldn't really mind, i don't think...
Peace,
Al.
CJ
Well-known member
I think the fact that we are not into the recording/mastering/acosutics thing will keep this place simple.
So having said that, I say create other forums if needed, but don't start getting into anything more splintered than the nuts and volts thing. Leave that to Gearslutz, RO, etc.
So having said that, I say create other forums if needed, but don't start getting into anything more splintered than the nuts and volts thing. Leave that to Gearslutz, RO, etc.
