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You sound so sincere, John. And yet, what do you learn from anyone that posts here? Or is it simply that you’re right about everything and the rest of us are being so uncooperative by not believing your every word? I’m sure I sound like a jerk here, but my biggest problem with arguing with a large subset of conservatives is that they always want you to concede points to them, while they will never concede a point to you—no matter how strong the evidence. I know what I’m getting with JR, and many other conservatives—an unwavering and unassailable belief in their rectitude, no matter how wrong they may be.
*Personal anecdote: I’ve mentioned how much John sometimes reminds me of my crotchety right wing grandfather (rip). Years ago, my grandfather asked my airline pilot brother how a jet engine works. So my brother explains in detail, even drawing pictures to illustrate various details. So he finishes up and my grandfather looks at him and says, “That’s not how it works.” And that, largely, is how I feel political discussions with right wingers go: no matter how strong the evidence or how well presented the argument, it’s never how it works.
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken... 
(joke, I'm sure I've been wrong before).
JR
(joke, I'm sure I've been wrong before).JR
boji
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Pick whichever tribe one is in conflict with, and that outgroup should confirm that they (pejoratively) do more 'xyx' than one's ingroup, who are primed for less defensive posturing.
However, intransigence (refusal to compromise) weighted by party affiliation is interesting stuff. In the book, "The Righteous Mind", Haidt found correlations between personality traits and political allegiance. For example, conservatives by their nature tend to be more disagreeable and conscientious than liberals, who tend to express higher degrees of trait agreeableness and openness than conservatives.
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fallout
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Liberals? Agreeable? LMAO
scott2000
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Disagree?
Kinda fascinating actually. Reminds me of that Rage song. "Heck yeah I'm gonna do what you tell me"...wait...
Now I'm confused....
There is so much more important stuff going on in the world, this seems like a mindless distraction.
JR
JR
boji
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Statistically higher in trait agreeableness, which is a double-edged sword.
Think about it in the context of history and it should make sense.
Matador
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Speaking of dropping shoes, while not coming out of the bastion of legal integrity that is John Durham, a federal court rules that the crime-fraud exception likely applied in a series of emails between John Eastman and Trump (and his and Pence's attorneys) were releasable under the crime fraud exception.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840.260.0.pdf
#totalexoneration
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840.260.0.pdf
#totalexoneration
fallout
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"More than a year after the attack on our Capitol, the public is still searching for accountability. This case cannot provide it. The Court is tasked only with deciding a dispute over a handful of emails. This is not a criminal prosecution; this is not even a civil liability suit."
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Matador
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Indeed, this was a discovery dispute. It will be up to the Jan 6th committee to make charges, but this very clearly lays out the standard to be met, and how that standard was met in this case.
fallout
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Matador
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Hard to say: this seems pretty clear cut, but never again would I underestimate the ability of Democrats to f-up anything handed to them on a silver platter.
fallout
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Regardless of which team you're cheering for, when you read "more likely than not", you should know where things are heading, or at least understand nothing is being handed over on a silver platter.
It's more likely than not that this will go nowhere.
It's more likely than not that this will go nowhere.
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This is political kabuki theater to generate sound bites for the mid terms...
Do any of you guys play poker?
JR
Do any of you guys play poker?
JR
This cracked me up. After all your blather about CRT and cancel culture and voter fraud--who you callin' sucker, sucker? The unfortunate difference is that real laws that cause real harm have come from Republican kabuki this cycle. Consider that a few orders of magnitude more valid ballots were tossed out by Texas's anti-voting law than documented cases of voter fraud used as cover for passing that anti-democratic BS--and that's just in a primary. But those 5 cases of voter fraud are worse, right, because of those evil cheating Dems, right? Oh, wait, all those fraudulent votes were cast by Republicans, weren't they?
But hey--whatever it takes to disenfranchise tens of thousands of black and brown voters, am I right?
(EDIT: I should have noted the kabuki theater of Republican questioning of KBJ--they hit many of the high points of the current wave of right-wing hysteria--the CRT nonsense & the current "gays out of schools" & anti-trans themes were strongly featured.)
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boji
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scott2000
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It is interesting to see the number of views on various threads. Takes like 15 years for some to catch as many as others. lol
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