TOOLBOXMUZIQ- confirmed time waster and REALLY not someone to do business with -

[JohnRoberts]

It's everyone's forum and everyone should take responsibility for it.  Nothing crazy, something like $5 per year to cut down on the riffraff and make sure those who are here really want to be here. 

I'd even pay 10. 

so, let's make it $40 and get a "free" t-shirt? 

Free?

Sounds like socialism to me...  How about good old caveat emptor (buyer beware)?

Life is an ongoing IQ test,,, It is disappointing when others let us down but life happens. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger and smarter.

I don't suggest we tolerate bad behavior, we can use peer pressure to police offenders and cast them from the garden. Unlike the larger market community we are a relatively tight knit group. 

JR

 

[Ptownkid]

I agree completely with John...

 

[okgb]

More like improving the S/N ratio of the grp , I'm trying to help keep things clean
by limiting my posts to where i actually can or need help ,  this is different then being
ripped off , which i have been by people who had been around for awhile here .
things either grow or die [ after stagnanting  ]  so " refinement  " doesn't seem unreasonable
after all , modifcations is a big part of this grp .

 

[EEMO1]

It's everyone's forum and everyone should take responsibility for it.  Nothing crazy, something like $5 per year to cut down on the riffraff and make sure those who are here really want to be here. 

I'd even pay 10. 

so, let's make it $40 and get a "free" t-shirt? 

Free?

Sounds like socialism to me...  How about good old caveat emptor (buyer beware)?

I saw the t-shirts being about $30 and plus the $10 that mitsos would pay...

 

[Gold]

I like the donate button better. I doubt a small fee would help much, especially to the dedicated... This place is pretty quiet anyway.

 

[mitsos]

Sounds like socialism to me...  How about good old caveat emptor (buyer beware)?

Sorry John, nothing political here. 

We pay to be members of all types of "clubs", lodges, professional societies (AES should ring home for many here), even those discount sam's club/costco type stores charge a yearly fee. I think what the forum offers is much more valuable than 36 rolls of toilet paper for $1.99.

 

[signalflow]

Sounds like socialism to me...  How about good old caveat emptor (buyer beware)?

Sorry John, nothing political here. 

We pay to be members of all types of "clubs", lodges, professional societies (AES should ring home for many here), even those discount sam's club/costco type stores charge a yearly fee. I think what the forum offers is much more valuable than 36 rolls of toilet paper for $1.99.

Have you ever tried to wipe your ass with a 5532........not pleasant.

I'm a fan of the "at your own risk" mentality but if you wanted to charge a fee do it for the Black market only.  That way to sell something you have to pay a yearly/monthly fee.

Or a per listing set-up, Something that you can link a paypal or other type of account to that when you hit submit it charges you. 

The more I type the more complicated it gets.

Buyer beware seems wayyyy easier.

Ok, I'm done.

-Casey

 

[deuce42]

Have you ever tried to wipe your ass with a 5532........not pleasant.

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Its true, the 990 is so much easier and smoother in this regard. .

 

[signalflow]

Have you ever tried to wipe your ass with a 5532........not pleasant.

Its true, the 990 is so much easier and smoother in this regard. .
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Maybe its the way the metal can feels against the anus mixed with the fact that less sh*t gets on your hands?

Wow this got weird real quick.  Sorry.  Analogy(ha!)-TOOLBOXMUZIQ is a 5532

badoom ching....goodnight!

-Casey

 

[mitsos]

you guys are sick. 

almost as sick as that video someone posted in the brewery.

 

[1sound]

Hey guys,

Not to be one to always want to put my 2 cents in, but, has anyone noticed that the guys wanting to take you for a ride are usually the first ones to pony up the "fee" / TAX (yet another one... don't  get me started) just to give themselves an air of legitimacy and lull their mark(s) into a false sense of security?

Not being political in any way but, fees (nee taxes) do nothing to fix this problem just like carbon credits do nothing to fix the environment...  Or preventing you from being hit in the head with a 5532....  Or an asteroid...  Or a flying 990 (yuck)...

Shunning can be quite an effective tool.  Let's just do that and call it a day on this guy once the jury's out on him (just in case this is still some big misunderstaning)...

I'm saying this as someone who's been taken for a ride in the past by people who had very good credentials (not here)...  So +911,000 for Caveat Emptor.

Yet, despite that opinion, I've bought my t-shirt....  The moment it was released .  (and still waiting for it too - waaahhhh I want my t-shirt!!! Stomp stomp stomp :'( )...  I've also ponied up first hand bucks for various projects here (so the creators thereof would directly benefit).  And I'm planning on doing a project here as well.  So I feel I can say I've contributed my "entry fee" for the month / year. 

And, I did so, voluntarily.  It's also pretty much a certainty that I wouldn't have even been here if that contribution mechanism weren't voluntary...  Hmmm... Smells like real socialism to me; where the actual "social body" benefits directly from it's constituency.  Not that Prince Albert in a Can version the govt's and political science professors try to sell you...  You know, the kind that comes with a tax...  And sucks...


Cheers/jeers guys!

 

[gyraf]

I agree,  1sound

 

[leadbreath]

i have donated a small fee (£10.00) and im quite happy to pay a yearly fee if it means that it keeps the wingnuts out and makes the place safer.

all the info and knowledge ive gained from this place is priceless.

p.s. wiping ur arse with a 5532 is better than wiping ur arse with a charged cap...

 

[1sound]

+1 on wiping ones arse with a charged cap.  Say plate voltage?

Perhaps that'd be a good penalty for "wingnutting".  And giving the rest of us $10 each...

 

[mitsos]

what does anything have to do with socialism? What does it have to do with carbon credits? I'd love to argue with you guys about this, but seriously, it's getting out of hand.  Everything in this place turns political. I'd rather talk about electrons.

I too, agree with shunning "bad" members, and I too agree with giving back to the forum. I just think if people had to pay to be a part of this place, it might give them a feeling of ownership and they'd maybe take it more seriously.

 

[signalflow]

what does anything have to do with socialism? What does it have to do with carbon credits? I'd love to argue with you guys about this, but seriously, it's getting out of hand.  Everything in this place turns political. I'd rather talk about electrons.

I too, agree with shunning "bad" members, and I too agree with giving back to the forum. I just think if people had to pay to be a part of this place, it might give them a feeling of ownership and they'd maybe take it more seriously.

I would think the 5-10 dollar membership fee would be an acceptable loss when someone needs a quick 500-1000 on a "sale". Hell, then they could just sign-up again under a different name and do it again.

Seems to be many loop holes to any solution.

-Casey

 

[okgb]

What's 5.00 that someone should be so offended ?

If it came from Ethan it would be o.k. ? 

I had to pay 5.00 to join the tascam forum before i could even look at a post

Disagree with 1sound , you don't know who will take you , not just the loud , not just the recent

Allot of people have used the grp to springboard businesses , never hear from them again

There should be a ranking that so some people can feel better , senior or superior ? track their contributions ?

Nobody really cares about the good of the group as a whole ? just listen to me , validate me ?


What should the grp do or be ? leave to  grow as it will with no guidance or model or plan , subject to the fluctuations
of current membership , nobody says nothing or start voting on things or put up with the louder people thinking they're
getting their way  , some people don't like unions , some people don't trust managment , some people don't give a sh*t either way
and do their own thing ,...................... so everyone on their own ?


Also too , just wait til you're on the losing end of a few hundred dollars , you won't be so happy


Anyway enough brown stuff from me , I think Mitsos has a good Slogan  Electrons not Elections

 

[leadbreath]

I would think the 5-10 dollar membership fee would be an acceptable loss when someone needs a quick 500-1000 on a "sale". Hell, then they could just sign-up again under a different name and do it again.

would u buy something worth 1000's from someone here thats got limited time on the forum??
if thats the case ive got a mint neve 8088 ill sell u at a special rate of only £5999.00
u interested??

 

[mitsos]

neve 8088 ill sell u at a special rate of only £5999.00

mine mine mine!!  PM'd!  ;D

That's how it happens. Something for (close to) nothing, or if it looks too good to be true..... So, yes, buyer beware, always. A membership fee is not the end of the world, it would help Ethan pay for bandwidth and software updates, and also pay for his time doing whatever a webmaster does on a daily basis. 

Most importantly I think it would give people a sense of ownership of this place, which would hopefully make people think a bit more before acting/posting?  At least this works well in many workplaces.  People are more likely to perform better if they feel some type of ownership of the duty they are asked to perform, as opposed to "do it because the boss says so." Maybe there are non monetary ways to do this here?

This was never really meant as solution, in fact, I'm not sure it would even work, just something that popped in my head as a possible positive change for the forum. Give people ownership, responsibility and they normally act much differently.

Take our moderators. I haven't seen gyraf, ssltech, abbey road, or any other moderator "lose their cool" in a debate, or curse someone like I've seen happen between "normal" members from time to time. Organizational behavior studies have shown that people act differently when they are given some responsibility.  Granted, there are always some bad apples, but I'm glad there aren't any among our moderators (can't say the same for some other forums).

All this is my humble opinion, we all have one, and each one of us can think everyone else's stinks. that's what makes the world what it is.   

And yes, ELECTRONS NOT ELECTIONS!

 

[leadbreath]

the feedback system that ethan's working on sounds like a good start.