We really need to start having a serious conversation about this....

[user 37518]

I suggest using arguments rather than mocking.

 

[Matador]

Saying someone needs to take their crazy meds,

He said no such thing. He said:

And I thought the shortages of anti-psychotic meds had been resolved...

Whether or not there is a shortage of medication(s) is just an objective fact, is it not?

(and don't take offense: it's just my irritating personality shining through...)

 

[user 37518]

He said no such thing. He said:

Whether or not there is a shortage of medication(s) is just an objective fact, is it not?

You well know that he was sarcastic and offensive, don't try to be witty. Lets get back on topic, rather than detouring into childish games. Its like a child who throws an insult at "Joe" and when Joe says something back, the child says "I wasn't referring to you, you are not the only Joe in the world, isn't it? I meant another Joe" come on now.

You want to talk about The Guardian? lets go, You want to talk the GPT? lets go, You want to talk about the birth rate? Lets go.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Do you guys really think repeating yourself will be effective?

Save your energy, there are more important things in the world, like first day of spring.

JR

 

[user 37518]

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck"

Dully noted.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck"

Yep. Except there are a lot of people who don't really know anything about ducks, but think they do. Their observations about waterfowl deserve to be questioned. Then there are the perpetual gaslighters who keep trying to convince you that the duck you saw was merely a grouse or perhaps a pheasant.

 

[Tubetec]

Well user 37518 , seems like youve backed yourself into a corner now picking arguments with practically anyone who responds to your posts , not only that but youve shown a total lack of empathy and understanding .
If your opinion of the people here is that low , my suggestion is pack your trunk and say good bye to the circus ,

 

[hodad]

It is unclear whether the newspapers control modern sentiment or public sentiment control the newspapers, but it no coincidence that wealthy people buy influential newspapers to use those megaphones to push their personal agenda.

I would certainly argue both--a combination of pandering and self-interest. It sort of puts the whole "liberal media" notion in a different light. It's hard to argue that much of the liberal agenda really benefits the wealthiest Americans. So insomuch as the media promote a liberal agenda, it's likely pandering--or giving the people what they want, if you prefer. And if more media outlets have a liberal slant (outside of issues important to the ultra-wealthy), then maybe it's because more folks want to hear the liberal POV than the conservative?
So perhaps, the "liberal media" is actually a more accurate reflection of the beliefs of the majority of the American people, and not some evil conspiracy, as some on the right might have us believe. If we want to look for an evil conspiracy in the media, maybe we should look at the pro-oligarch, pro-megacorporate propaganda pushed by media outlets both "liberal" and otherwise.

 

[user 37518]

Well user 37518 , seems like youve backed yourself into a corner now picking arguments with practically anyone who responds to your posts , not only that but youve shown a total lack of empathy and understanding .
If your opinion of the people here is that low , my suggestion is pack your trunk and say good bye to the circus ,

Seems to me that you have lost the argument and slander is your only resource left. Also, many of the responses to my posts and of the others are not responses, but attacks or mockery. Few have actually engaged in an argument, livingsounds for example, even though I do not agree with him, he is being civil. In your case, I have yet to see you actually responding my posts rather than making new unrelated arguments to try, as you say, to back me or others into a corner.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Actually they are good reporting facts. But some people here some to get their "news" from pretty questionable sources. You guys moved to the right for decades now. Unfortunate.

You might need to brush up on your facts. Relative to the average US adult The Guardian is further left than Fox News is to the right.

 

[Tubetec]

Wrong , you backed yourself into the corner , you didnt need my help at all .
Believe me I can be a lot more abrasive , but you know what I wont bother because thats exactly what your fishing for . Seems to me you've more or less insulted everyone , the vast majority simply expressing their opinion in a reasonable manner , you took offence at every turn and responded in a needlessly viscious manner to several people who tabled subjects that didnt suit your agenda .
Just because you started this thread doesnt mean you have a monopoly on peoples right to express themselves in it .

 

[crazydoc]

Haloperidol, thiothixine.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scri...3F4351D73C76D2CA5282BE21031292FC00BE5C0AB0F4F

 

[Tubetec]

I lost a good friend a few years back ,
She'd been pumped full of very strong psychiatric meds for many years , in fact the doses she was given were way way beyond anything in the recomendations , enough to knock a baby elephant .
Turned out the family had a very dark secret , she had been raped and beaten on several ocassions in her life by both her father and grandfather , anytime she tried to speak about what happened they'd have the men in the white coats take her away to hospital .
I spent a lot of time with her , taking account of her story and lending support .
She made a decission at one point to get the doctors to reduce the dose , over the course of about 6 months the dose was reduced and she was doing well , then one day the doctor told her she could stop the treatment , things rapidly took a turn for the worst after that .
She tried to confront her siblings about what happened , the day she died the family were due to arrive with the doctor and ambulance to take her away again . Years and years of psych meds had destroyed her body , in the end the sheer terror of being taken away and locked up caused her to have some kind of brain aneurysm .

One thing we probably can agree on Doc is sudden withdrawl from these meds can be extremely dangerous , in her case she may well have been better off staying on a reduced dose rather than having to gone cold turkey . She wasnt ever offered any form of councilling to help her come to terms with what she'd been through , just meds to zonk her out .
Her story isnt unique by any means , I have several other friends who suffered abuse at the hands of a family member , and the same thing exactly happened , labeled as mad and medicated , where in reality what they needed was acknowledgement of what happened to start the process of rebuilding their lives .

 

[crazydoc]

Wrong , you backed yourself into the corner , you didnt need my help at all .
Believe me I can be a lot more abrasive , but you know what I wont bother because thats exactly what your fishing for . Seems to me you've more or less insulted everyone , the vast majority simply expressing their opinion in a reasonable manner , you took offence at every turn and responded in a needlessly viscious manner to several people who tabled subjects that didnt suit your agenda .
Just because you started this thread doesnt mean you have a monopoly on peoples right to express themselves in it .

Right on!

If anyone wants to discuss ignorance, peruse these posts from another thread.

Probably the same kind that Pfizer used to promise that vaccines would stop the infection.

To my knowledge this is social media misinformation. Maybe you could post a link documenting that this was "promised" by Pfizer.

"A spokesperson from Pfizer told Full Fact by email: “The primary endpoints of our Covid-19 vaccine study were to evaluate the efficacy of the vaccine candidate in preventing Covid-19 disease in participants who had not been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus before they received the vaccine […]The trials were not designed to evaluate the vaccine’s effectiveness against transmission of SARS-CoV-2.”

The fact that the Covid-19 vaccines did have an impact on transmission, particularly against the earliest variants, was verified with real world data after the vaccines were rolled out. Although the impact of vaccines on transmission has lessened against the Omicron variant, this does not mean that the vaccines impacting transmission was just a “myth” or “assumption”."

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-pfizer-transmission-test/

Sorry, not Pfizer, but the actual government of the USA, which is worse, here is more "misinformation":

So here is an ignorant post, with wrong information which probably came from other ignorant posts on social media, and passed on to the gullible public, many of whom only accept beliefs that align with their confirmation bias. And we wonder why society is so fucked up these days.

(Hey John, this is entertaining, but I expect you'll be locking this thread pretty soon. )

 

[JohnRoberts]

(Hey John, this is entertaining, but I expect you'll be locking this thread pretty soon. )

I stop reading this poop a long time ago...

I don't understand why you guys stay engaged...

JR

 

[user 37518]

Right on!

If anyone wants to discuss ignorance, peruse these posts from another thread.




So here is an ignorant post, with wrong information which probably came from other ignorant posts on social media, and passed on to the gullible public, many of whom only accept beliefs that align with their confirmation bias. And we wonder why society is so fucked up these days.

(Hey John, this is entertaining, but I expect you'll be locking this thread pretty soon. )

I did recognize it wasn't Pfizer, but for you guys, recognizing your mistakes seems to be out of the question.

 

[user 37518]

Wrong , you backed yourself into the corner , you didnt need my help at all .
Believe me I can be a lot more abrasive , but you know what I wont bother because thats exactly what your fishing for . Seems to me you've more or less insulted everyone , the vast majority simply expressing their opinion in a reasonable manner , you took offence at every turn and responded in a needlessly viscious manner to several people who tabled subjects that didnt suit your agenda .
Just because you started this thread doesnt mean you have a monopoly on peoples right to express themselves in it .

Exactly how did I insult anyone? I never used insults, again, for you, the left, facts are insults. I believe my language is not offensive, I have been respectful, but I have been very forward regarding my opinions. Read my posts and let me know where have I been so insulting. You, on the other hand, have been looking for anything to attack, either the Vatican, or the pope, whilst playing the "I am not really interested on arguing" card; throwing stones, and then hidding your hand behind your back.

Exactly how am I against the corner? AFAIK you nor Matador, nor crazydoc have been able to refute AnalogPackrat or me but rather mock or ridicule. And they do use insults and slurs.

 

[crazydoc]

She tried to confront her siblings about what happened , the day she died the family were due to arrive with the doctor and ambulance to take her away again . Years and years of psych meds had destroyed her body , in the end the sheer terror of being taken away and locked up caused her to have some kind of brain aneurysm .

Well, to my knowledge this wouldn't have caused a cerebral aneurism, but the stress of what was happening, and possibly the med withdrawal, could have caused a rise in blood pressure that ruptured the aneurism. I'm sorry this happened to her, and that sometimes the practice of medicine is so fucked up (damn! there's that profanity again) that it causes more harm than good. My wife had a ruptured aneurism/subarachnoid bleed 18 years ago now, and luckily it was witnessed, she was taken to ER and flown nearby to one of the best neurological facilities in the country where she got excellent treatment, and after coiling the aneurism, a VP shunt, several weeks in the ICU, and months in the hospital and rehab, she made a complete recovery.

One thing we probably can agree on Doc is sudden withdrawl from these meds can be extremely dangerous , in her case she may well have been better off staying on a reduced dose rather than having to gone cold turkey . She wasnt ever offered any form of councilling to help her come to terms with what she'd been through , just meds to zonk her out .
Her story isnt unique by any means , I have several other friends who suffered abuse at the hands of a family member , and the same thing exactly happened , labeled as mad and medicated , where in reality what they needed was acknowledgement of what happened to start the process of rebuilding their lives .

I agree with you. Most healthcare professionals are doing their best (there's a lot we don't know, especially about psychiatric issues), but unfortunately there are some that are avaricious or incompetent, as in just about every walk of life.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

My grandfather was a T5 med tech in Europe at the end of WWII and part of occupation for a year. Decades later he was hired to be the facilities engineering director for a sizeable medical center. He spent a lot of time around doctors and had this nugget to share:

"Doctors are just practicing."

Medicine is still largely empirical. He was always very positive about medical advances and treatments. It's too bad there are so many outsized egos in the field. Ironically, he was killed by medical malpractice when specifically labeled warnings against use of seroquel on Alzheimer's and dementia patients (to treat sundowners or other restlessness) were employed in his facility.

 

[crazydoc]

I did recognize it wasn't Pfizer, but for you guys, recognizing your mistakes seems to be out of the question.

Well here, I "recognized" my mistake in the same manner you did.

And yet, here you are, continuing a conversation about not wanting to continue a conversation, and attacking others.

Sorry - it was more than I could bear.

 

[Tubetec]

Im not going to waste anymore time trying to point out where your words might have caused hurt user 37518 , we all fuck up sometimes , if your not man enough to go back and evaluate your own performance its on you , I WILL NOT BE PICKING THE PEANUTS OUT OF YOUR VERBAL DIARRHOEA FOR YOU , YOU GOT THAT PILGRIM ?



I had a bit of a meltdown around 20 years back , was a more a short term glitch really , the doc did try and put me on the seroquel , man that shit made me feel bad , the only way I can describe it is it opened a superstitious part of my brain that never existed before , I took it on and off for a few months but even my abillity to express myself was impared , I could barely even make up my mind what I wanted for dinner and my dick stopped working too.
It took a few months for the stuff to leave my system after I stopped taking the pills , its wasnt long before I was back to my old self , never looked back since .
I used have a friend from the USA , she was part of a class action law suit against the makers of Seroquel ,Astra Zeneca , they successfully held the company to account because it was shown Seroquel had caused their pancrease to basically stop producing insulin , the company ended up paying out hundreds of millions in reparations .