covid politics

[crazydoc]

Quite astonishing what some people would do to themselves.

Ivermectin, the one for humans (not the one for cattle !!), was a big hope in Japan last year (Japan invented it), AFAIR), but they completely gave up on it.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is urging people to stop taking veterinary drugs to treat or prevent Covid-19 after receiving multiple reports of patients who have been hospitalized after "self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses," according to the federal agency.
"You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it," the FDA tweeted from its official account on Saturday, alongside a consumer update detailing why the drug can be unsafe for humans.
Ivermectin, which is not an anti-viral drug, is generally used to treat or prevent parasites in animals.
"These animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than" a human, the FDA update reads. "Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans."

Better drugs are available (well, a measly three to be exact) that are used right now for treatment in hospitals in Japan (and other countries including the US, I'd think). However, those drugs can lead to damage of liver, kidneys etc. So not really a good choice either.

Leaves what... ?

Monoclonal antibodies if treated early - good success.

 

[iturnknobs]

Little unclear what the connection to boji's quote is outside of the name Ivermectin.

The link is now broken. It was a long video claiming Ivermectin effectiveness against Covid symptoms. Many sources report there is insufficient data to show any reliable effectiveness against Covid and doses 100 times greater than approved dosing for humans are necessary for any difference in results.
https://www.covid19treatmentguideli...YajgHDWtploed6aN9oNtdEviyCiMcWjxp3rnA8aBUgCnI

 

[Script]

Monoclonal antibodies

Article a couple of days ago here mentioned Remdesi, Dexa and Ronapreve (Casirivimab & Imdevimab) administeted at the same time to have shown to also reduce mortality in severe patients. (This was a recreated recent medical test run overseas, actually two runs in two countries ?!) Both very important effects when hospitals are full and they are running out of staff to hire ! - Will post link should I find it again for exact numbers.

However, that article also mentioned heightened risks of organ damage (not really news with remdesivir). But still better than exitus, I guess.

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Invermectin is also used in humans against some highly exotic worm infection, I think, and it worked against Covid in a Petri dish, they found here last year -- but so does dishwashing liquid (! don't drink !). Effectiveness of highest possible dose of Invermectin in humans against Covid turned out to be disappointingly low compared to placebo group in medical trials -- so low (54% ?) that garlic on the breath probably does the same (even behind a mask) , if not better. For Japan that was a massive disappointment cos they had ramped up production big time in advance. -- Invermectin is / was also "popular" on the streets in Brazil to no good effect.

Better, non-invasive prophylaxis against Covid in Japan is wearing masks (less effective now with delta, but still) and best prophylaxis is any currently available vaccine (several types, some work better than others).

 

[scott2000]

The link is now broken. It was a long video claiming Ivermectin effectiveness against Covid symptoms. Many sources report there is insufficient data to show any reliable effectiveness against Covid and doses 100 times greater than approved dosing for humans are necessary for any difference in results.
https://www.covid19treatmentguideli...YajgHDWtploed6aN9oNtdEviyCiMcWjxp3rnA8aBUgCnI

There's a bit more in that link. Seems pretty open for possibilities at this point . A good thing. Thanks for the link. Will check out the studies cited.

 

[cyrano]

That ScienceDaily article quotes a study from Finland that finds a decline of 1.76 points for one infection. Up to 9.44 for five different infections.

Covid manages to lower your IQ by 9% on it's own if you get sick...

AFAIK no study underway to show results for COVID positive tested people without symptoms.

 

[scott2000]

That ScienceDaily article quotes a study from Finland that finds a decline of 1.76 points for one infection. Up to 9.44 for five different infections.

Covid manages to lower your IQ by 9% on it's own if you get sick...

AFAIK no study underway to show results for COVID positive tested people without symptoms.

I couldn't read the link beyonfd the headline. It's registration required.
Found it . Guess it's the October 2020 study.

I didn't read the Finland study... Mentions dropping iq so many points below the average...Whatever that means. Immune response seems to be a player in this which would tie into the covid effect it seems. Pretty interesting.

Wonder how people already suffering from dementia factor into any of these studies. Or chronic fatigue...weed..

 

[Script]

Covid manages to lower your IQ by 9% on it's own if you get sick...

Well, for some people whose main news outlets are Facebook and Twitter plus a handful of...

Just joking ; )

 

[scott2000]

Well, for some people whose main news outlets are Facebook and Twitter plus a handful of...

Just joking ; )

Wrong thread...lol

Here you go..

https://groupdiy.com/threads/know-any-jokes.78414/#post-1002639

 

[Brian Roth]

cyrano said:
Covid manages to lower your IQ by 9% on it's own if you get sick...

Now I'm quoting Script:

Well, for some people whose main news outlets are Facebook and Twitter plus a handful of...

Just joking ; )

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My elderly Mom (who still has her wits) and I keep getting emails from one of my cousins on Dad's side of the family.....one of my Dad's sister's daughters (did that make any sense??? lol)

Cousin is well educated, used to be a school teacher and now long retired. Facebook, online BS websites, etc. have convinced her:

1. The Covid is a method for the evil "Trilateral commission' (who control the world!!) and the Rothchild family (and all of their rich friends) to depopulate the world so they can enslave us.

2. The vax has magnetic particles that can cause "ferrous" items or magnets to stick to your body...and also microchips designed by Bill Gates so that the Bad Guys can track us all (why? I dunno).

3. The Corona vax "sheds" and causes Bad Stuff to spread to anyone standing/sitting next the person who had the jabs.

4, Vax cards are "the mark of the beast"...no one can buy or sell without The Mark, and we will all be required to have a tat (or a microchip). That's extracted from the Christian bible (Revelations), and is FACT according to many thousands or millions that claim to have read the Good Book and expouse this online.

5. Etc etc OH! Last election was stolen from Trump because of foreign satellites that hacked into the election computers.

The interNUT <g> is full of this. Jillions of websites and social media posts, and millions of people "BELIEVE" this Horsesh!t.

Hmmmmmmmm.......maybe depopulation (ie, put chlorine into the gene pool) makes sense.

Bri

 

[fallout]

I could find hundreds to thousands of links to prove your "ineffective vaccines" statement FALSE. You're the person who screams 1st Amendment infringement when a PRIVATE social media outlet pulls your post. Oddly enough, I encourage you to spread information like this. Fight my war for me without bullets. Thank you for your service. F*ck the children. I have none

I don't do social media, don't make assumptions. I'm also not screaming about anything, unlike.. I could also find hundreds to thousands of links as well. So what? Am I trying to change your mind about the vaccine? No.. I'm talking about mandates.

It comes down to this.. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread the virus just the same. I see this with my own eyes. This can not be argued no matter how many 'links' you have to prove me wrong. Breakthrough cases are NOT rare despite what we are still being told. My definition of 'ineffective' must be different than yours.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-...nfections-carry-same-virus-load-unvaccinated/
There's no reasons for mandates, it appears to be about compliance at this point.

I'm not arguing whether one should get vaccinated or not because that depends on a lot of factors.

 

[iturnknobs]

I don't do social media, don't make assumptions.

Just because this isn't called FB or Twitter, doesn't mean you don't "do" social media. This is EXACTLY what WE are doing.

No.. I'm talking about mandates.

Well, get ready...FDA just fully approved Pfizer. Here come the mandates

There's no reasons for mandates, it appears to be about compliance at this point.

I'm not arguing whether one should get vaccinated or not because that depends on a lot of factors.

You are being just like a freedom screaming Republican. Let's really MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN and return to our old ways. I don't know how old you are, but I remember standing in line in the gymnasium of my elementary school and everybody got a shot in the arm. I don't know what people are "screaming" about these days except the right to be free and stupid. I'm screaming because people on the right are saying things like "nothing to worry about" or mockingly say things like "be very afraid". The gulf coast area is out of ICU beds.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation...m-gulf-coast-leaving-region-with-no-icu-beds/Be very afraid. Be considerate of your health care workers and your fellow neighbor... or be Republican (only pro-life pre-birth).

 

[fallout]

Vaccinated folks catch and spread Covid.. PERIOD!

You sound like an absolute lunatic activist-type.

Oh, and..

• If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta variant, you can spread the virus to others.

-Centers for Disease Control

 

[iturnknobs]

Vaccinated folks catch and spread Covid.. PERIOD! Obviously you can't argue my point.

You sound like an absolute lunatic. Project much? LOL. Good luck.

Oh, and..

• If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta variant, you can spread the virus to others.

-Centers for Disease Control

You said the vaccines were ineffective. Not only can I argue your point, but you are absolutely wrong. Part of my previous post is missing. Must be the lunacy. The only claims for the vaccine were to prevent severe infections, hospitalizations and death. We got lucky that it demonstrably reduces the ability to spread covid. There are hundreds of studies that show vaccinated people are significantly less likely to spread the virus vs. others. Do I really sound like a lunatic when I prove your points wrong? Please tell me the vaccines are ineffective again. I might become a lunatic that starts screaming again...the real reason I'm a lunatic is because I debate with people who try to rationalize emotion over fact. Here's some links that you won't read...as you quote CDC links. Is the obstinance painful? I sound like a lunatic because people who keep making incorrect and unhelpful claims make me crazy.

Oh, and...

COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

• A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.

-Centers for Disease Control


...I even provided the links for you.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.htmlhttps://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.htmlhttps://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/m...vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-workhttps://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individualshttps://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-vaccines-herd-immunity-variants-1.6104364

 

[fallout]

Be a good little activist boy.

 

[crazydoc]

It comes down to this.. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread the virus just the same. I see this with my own eyes. This can not be argued no matter how many 'links' you have to prove me wrong.

From the link you posted, and you neglected to mention:

The data used for the study do not show how likely it is that a fully vaccinated person with the Delta variant can pass on the infection to another individual, compared to an unvaccinated individual with the virus.

They're just guessing using common sense - it may be true, but there is no data to support it.

And "what you see with your own eyes:" is anecdotal bullshit and is meaningless.

 

[fallout]

And "what you see with your own eyes:" is anecdotal bullshit and is meaningless.

LMFAO.. Riiiiiiiight

Save the bullshit please.

 

[iturnknobs]

Be a good little activist boy.

...by reading?

 

[boji]

Be a good little activist boy.
...by reading?

Fallout comes across as some folks' doppelganger, tbh.

 

[fallout]

To the point



Mandates are about compliance, not science. Vaccines do not prevent transmission.

I'm sure the nazis at YouTube will promptly censor. Too much common sense and interesting history.

Please tell me the vaccines are ineffective again.

No problem.. Vaccines are infective at stopping the spread of Covid and there's no reason for vaccine mandates.

Again, if you choose to get vaccinated, that's great. Perhaps it'll lessen your symptoms and maybe not. Don't be delusional in thinking it'll stop the spread.

I already had a fairly bad case of Covid last year and have been following my doctors advice and not some nutters on the internet. You know, 'follow the science' and all that jazz. Her advice about the vaccines echos what the doctor in the video said.

And "what you see with your own eyes:" is anecdotal bullshit and is meaningless.

I'm still laughing at this one. Perhaps I should live in some kind of alternate reality? Explains a lot.

 

[scott2000]