covid politics

[iturnknobs]

Not "good little activist boys"...
I bet they would love some of that "ineffective" vaccine.
https://www.rawstory.com/lawyer-john-pierce/https://www.thedailybeast.com/conse...s-parody-about-vaccines-dies-from-coronavirus

 

[iturnknobs]

To the point

To your bad point...you mean this Dr. Christina Parks?
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...nformation-conspiracy-theories-outright-lies/(notice the word ACTIVIST in this title)
https://www.mlive.com/politics/2021...ficials-say-their-science-doesnt-hold-up.htmlhttps://michiganadvance.com/2021/08/19/conspiracy-filled-house-hearing-held-on-vaccine-mandate-banhttps://boards.fool.com/and-other-quackcrap-free-information-the-34908933.aspx...and here she is at the "Stop The Steal" event at the Michigan State Capitol...(activist, huh?)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/SXNPjkizgpWR/

Mandates are about compliance, not science. Vaccines do not prevent transmission.

Compliance? Try public health and safety. SCOTUS upheld vaccine mandates in 1905 and 1922 and IT WASN'T ABOUT CONTROL. Who is the lunatic?
"States have long had the constitutional authority to mandate vaccinations, which the Supreme Court has upheld twice, first in 1905 and then in 1922. "
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ful-effective-and-based-on-rock-solid-science

I'm sure the nazis at YouTube will promptly censor. Too much common sense and interesting history.

This type of mentality is why we have to discuss why one cannot yell fire in a crowded theater.

No problem.. Vaccines are infective at stopping the spread of Covid and there's no reason for vaccine mandates.

Quote from next link. Maybe you should look up what a vaccine actually does before you(not a doctor) redefine it.

"In general, most vaccines do not completely prevent infection but do prevent the infection from spreading within the body and from causing disease. Many vaccines can also prevent transmission, potentially leading to herd protection whereby unvaccinated people are protected from infection by the vaccinated people around them because they have less chance of exposure to the virus.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/vaccines-faq

Don't be delusional in thinking it'll stop the spread.

Refer to vaccine definition/description AGAIN. It will if enough people get it. Moreover, those on the right push more of this anti-vaxx info than on the left. Not helpful to society. Refer to my previous post. The schadenfreude is real...along with the karma...ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE.

 

[scott2000]

I don't understand the karma posts. I personally know of more people who have died or have been seriously hospitalized while vaccinated than all the stories of karma I've seen so far.. and I'm a recluse..

Just seems like a silly practice for journalism. The numbers are already telling the story that vaccines are effective at easing the burden of sickness.

 

[iturnknobs]

I don't understand the karma posts. I personally know of more people who have died or have been seriously hospitalized while vaccinated than all the stories of karma I've seen so far.. and I'm a recluse..

Just seems like a silly practice for journalism. The numbers are already telling the story that vaccines are effective at easing the burden of sickness.

Seeing as this thread is covid politics, I challenge anyone to find an example of this brazen obstinate behavior leading to death from anyone on the "left".

 

[fallout]

Again, I'm not debating whether a person should or should not get a Covid vaccine, although I do believe it is a personal choice. Mandates on the other hand are ridiculous and tyrannical. Most folks (adults) I've had conversations with, regardless of political beliefs think mandates are dangerous.

By the way, anyone can play the 'link' game to support their opinions on the internet, it's exhausting. I form opinions by my own experiences and observations which of course will be labeled as 'anecdotal' and 'bullshit', so whatever..

*Self Moderated*

Sorry @JohnRoberts . I said my piece.

You can have the last word @iturnknobs. I'm out.

 

[JohnRoberts]

lets not get personal... if people want to make intemperate posts that in the record.

JR

 

[crazydoc]

I see this with my own eyes. This can not be argued no matter how many 'links' you have to prove me wrong.

My own experience (with family and acquaintances) has been that people who know everything, no matter what evidence there is against it, are usually wrong. (The pandemic has really highlighted this.) Many have their own limited experiences, and erroneously try to conflate that on to whatever is real in the world (and sometimes completely refuse to accept anything that is outside their limited experience.)

This is fine, as long as they don't affect the course of human events. Unfortunately, this is what's happening, since there is so much "information" available, and most people are ill equipped to analyze it.

But I could be wrong.

 

[fallout]

But I could be wrong.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I've never met somebody who knows everything.... I wish I did, I have questions.

I have met lots of people who think they know more than they do...

Being wealthy, or successful in some narrow enterprise gives people a false sense of superiority. Best to just let them keep thinking that.

Enjoy the floor show.

JR

 

[crazydoc]

I've never met somebody who knows everything.... I wish I did, I have questions.

I'll hook you up with my brother-in-law and my sister-in-law.

 

[JohnRoberts]

My older brother is smarter than me, at least better educated, but even he doesn't know everything.

Are you sure your in-laws don't just think they know everything?

Are they members here?

JR

 

[crazydoc]

They're know-it-alls - they are right and anybody who disagrees is wrong. Of course they just think they know everything, but they are really pretty ignorant and not really high on the IQ list, but that really helps someone to think they know it all.

Sorry, I guess my tongue-in-cheek didn't come through.

 

[JohnRoberts]

No I was just milking it...

JR

PS: Do they think you are evil, or just wrong? (Rhetorical).

 

[Tubetec]

I ploughed several hours into a response without logging in first , when i did login everything i had wrote vanished , previously when i did this I could use the back page function in browser to recover the text
Anyway didnt happen this time ,

Its late on here now , I might have a cut off it tomorrow again .

 

[fallout]

Hey! Let's lighten the mood a bit.

Everyone ready for that 3rd jab? Damn, that one's only good for the delta not the new variant. Oh wait, maybe the 4th.. errrr.. Perhaps that'll be the effective one.. we've got it this time! shit..

 

[Matador]

Perhaps that'll be the effective one.. we've got it this time! shit..

Voltaire was right: "Always let perfect be the enemy of the highly effective."

 

[scott2000]

Peer reviewed double blind fda approved...
Try and match that yatches

 

[crazydoc]

Well, look at that. No one has died of covid in Florida for the last week. That's wonderful. Great job, Ron!
https://www.bing.com/covid/local/florida_unitedstates

 

[living sounds]

Hey! Let's lighten the mood a bit.

Everyone ready for that 3rd jab? Damn, that one's only good for the delta not the new variant. Oh wait, maybe the 4th.. errrr.. Perhaps that'll be the effective one.. we've got it this time! shit..

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A blue pill from Pfizer... Maybe they should offer free viagra with the jab to incentivise people to get a shot...

 

[Brian Roth]

I'm unsure if this is the correct thread because I'm making a "veer".

Regardless of whether someone believes the Corona virus is a total hoax, mandates are evil, the hospitalizations or death tolls are fiction, or whatever, we seem to have a crisis. Are the hospitals making this up?

Quoting from a regional news source (KAKE.com):

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas hospitals are clamoring for traveling nurses as the number of COVID-19 patients rises to levels last seen in January.

The state had 407 open travel nurse positions as of Monday, according to data from Aya Healthcare, a leading travel nursing agency. Employers are willing to pay big dollars, with advertised positions in Kansas and Missouri topping $5,600 a week, The Kansas City Star reports.

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$5.6K times 52 weeks = $291,200 per year. Pres of the USA's salary is $400k.

Thinking back to the 1990's/2000's, I had a relative who was a RN. In that time frame, she was making around $40K per year, and the corporate hospitals were laying of workers (including RN's) left and right. She ended up taking a traveling nurse gig, never knowing where she would be working the next day/week...having to travel all over Oklahoma in an aging car.

Looks like "them chickens are coming back to roost....." as we would say in Okla.

Bri