DaveP

K&H UE100 from scratch
« on: August 19, 2020, 07:54:52 AM »
I have had a request for one of these so I'll be starting this project in September and I expect it to take all winter.



The original is about 24" wide so not suitable for rack mounting, mine will have to fit in a rack and will be higher.

The original had removable boards, mine will be point to point.

Push buttons are not a viable option nowadays so mine will be rotary switches and miniature toggles.

Good luck to Ian's project as well, so there will be a fair bit going on in this section for a while.

Best
DaveP
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IBart

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2020, 10:06:46 AM »
 :)

gyraf

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2020, 10:56:09 AM »
Great project!

Hopefully you're making it stereo linked while you're at it?

But

Your image is a plugin, that simply dosen't count.  :o the english version faceplate was translated wrong, naming the two mid controls "low pass filter" and "high pass filter" in stead of the correct high- and low band filter.

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rotary switches and miniature toggles

Seems logical. Attached my try at a front panel, it's absolutely possible to come up with user interface that works at least as good as the original. You need to know how you want to use the unit though. I have controls for levels at the top, functions in the middle, and frequencies at the bottom of the face plate.

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The original had removable boards, mine will be point to point.
- My UE-100's are point-to-point, no boards, and certainly not even remotely removable. Perhaps you're thinking of the simpler and later UE1000?

/Jakob E.

pro tip: you can get very good and cheap 6201 tubes at reichelt in germany
« Last Edit: August 19, 2020, 01:24:58 PM by gyraf »
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gyraf

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2020, 02:42:57 AM »
Spot the translation mistake..


(apart from face plate these are EXACTLY the same, they track in stereo to a scary degree of precision)
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abbey road d enfer

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2020, 03:06:26 AM »
Spot the translation mistake..
How could they translate  X BAND FILTER by X PASS FILTER?
The words for "x pass filter" are the same in German and English...  :o
Which country are they from?
Who's right or wrong is irrelevant. What matters is what's right or wrong.
Star ground is for electricians.

gyraf

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2020, 03:49:17 AM »
..note to self: don't let Harman run your company..

abbey road d enfer

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2020, 04:48:34 AM »
;D
Honest, I was not sarcastic. I had to dig a little to gather they are from Sweden, which is all the stranger, since Swedes are usually very good with language, as most Scandinavians are.
Who's right or wrong is irrelevant. What matters is what's right or wrong.
Star ground is for electricians.

gyraf

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2020, 06:30:54 AM »
Aah, thought you were joking..

Klein&Hummel are from Germany - the "Stuttgart" on the front plate.

And they are very, very German

The basis for the UE100 was the idea to develop a maximally precise equalizer, and as inductor core material is notoriously temperature sensitive, they designed it around only capacitors as frequency-determining, switches controlling only resistors.

Wait, you may say - capacitors are temp dependent too..

..yes but - everywhere in this beast where you have a frequency determining capacitor, it consists of two paralleled precision capacitors: One with a positive and one with a similar negative temperature coefficient.. Pic related, it's the dual-styrene-like ones covered in red tape..

In my opinion over-designed in a way that only very obsessive-compulsive German engineers can be allowed to. Sometimes wonder if a bit of medication at the right time could have saved some pain here.

/Jakob E.
 
« Last Edit: August 20, 2020, 06:34:48 AM by gyraf »
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L´Andratté

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2020, 07:55:36 AM »
I have some very old German fixed frequency WDR (broadcast) filter modules, that also use that dual capacitor config. They are also exceptionally big for their capacitance values-
Always wondered what that was for... ;)!

(They also use very hq inductors too, that I bought them for harvesting, but didn´t yet have the heart to violate the exceptional craftsmanship involved,   ;D )

DaveP, a worthy project for you,  you know you got us all salivating in anticipation!
« Last Edit: August 20, 2020, 08:01:38 AM by L´Andratté »
"Why not get an assistant to work the faders? Real vintage! And maybe cheaper... ;)"

gyraf

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2020, 08:32:18 AM »
(..please don't kill WDR modules, it's not that hard to grow new inductors...)
« Last Edit: August 20, 2020, 10:29:16 AM by gyraf »
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abbey road d enfer

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2020, 02:08:33 PM »
Aah, thought you were joking..

Klein&Hummel are from Germany - the "Stuttgart" on the front plate.

And they are very, very German
I'm well aware of K&H, but my doubts were on Lindell Audio.
I may be wrong but I believe the German text is correct, the BAND FILTER being what we're used to call parametric (or semi-parametric since switchable). The other sections, far east and far west being shelving EQ's with a complement of standard asymptotic hi and lo-pass.
Who's right or wrong is irrelevant. What matters is what's right or wrong.
Star ground is for electricians.

gyraf

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2020, 05:52:29 AM »
Don't take the Lindell too seriously, that one - albeit correctly translated - is only a nice graphics mockup to persuade you that the plugin sounds right. Note that for some reason only some parts of the front panel has been translated into English. It never existed in real.

The brutally mis-translated at my above pic is real and Klein&Hummel's own version for the english-speaking world.. 

..and CPS in stead of Hz.?  ..really?
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Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2020, 09:26:47 AM »
Hello

..and CPS in stead of Hz.?  ..really?

What's the issue ? it's the same unit for freq measurement, now cps is obsolete but maybe not at that time ?

Best
Zam

edit: I just check, SI replace cps by Hz in 1960
« Last Edit: August 21, 2020, 09:32:36 AM by zamproject »

DaveP

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch New
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2020, 10:38:09 AM »
Never realised a pic could generate so much discussion............ ???.

Any way, pleased be assured I do have a pic of the original front panel even though it will mean very little when it gets translated into a 7u 19" rack mount!



Covid 19 has played havoc with electronic component supply, some gear has taken 6 months to arrive, but here it all is....



Box of Switches



Two more boxes of components...

This is the first time I have entered the exotic world of E196 resistors often to find they are cheaper than usual (less demand I guess?)

Getting the components is the easy part, every decision I take from now on will have consequences down the line, so wish me luck.

Best
DaveP
« Last Edit: August 22, 2020, 12:50:31 PM by DaveP »
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gyraf

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2020, 12:52:00 PM »
Good luck on your journey, Dave!
..note to self: don't let Harman run your company..

DaveP

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2020, 12:55:39 PM »
Merci mon capitaine

DaveP
Soundcloud: Delayed Action.

pvision

Re: K&H UE100 from scratch
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2020, 05:06:35 PM »
7U case - nice!

Can't beat a good panel layout with space for everything to breathe

Nick Froome


 

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