COVID-19

[dmp]

Congress has immunity from this. 

From trading stock with mnpi? No, look up the STOCK act from 2012.
If you mean from the disastrous response to the pandemic, I agree Trump owns much of the blame - as the executive he sets the majority of the tone. But there is no excuse for any member of Congress that was in these kind of classified briefings to just do nothing or worse yet, warn insiders and try to profit off it.  Dem Senator Blumenthal for instance was sending out warnings to the public in late February and trying to raise the alarm.

It’s also bipartisan behavior but same people pushing these partisan arguments. 

Bothsidesism isn't a great defense of appalling behavior but I guess there isn't much left for Republicans. Burr is the one that had a tape leaked to the media warning wealthy donors on in February and selling stock WHILE not informing the public. 

This has just turned into a Political ***** thread in the last few days and lacks any meaningful advice for dealing with the Pandemic. 

The response right now is governed by politics. And bringing to light the failures of leadership that have the economy and the healthcare system in a tailspin right now might be constructive.    And by the way, the brewery is ALWAYS dominated by team politics, but of conservative ideology.

Maybe in February, instead of selling their stock, Republicans could have been sending face masks to hospitals. Tell 3M to start making medical supplies day and night with a guaranteed government purchase. Start to tell the public to begin social distancing INSTEAD of saying it was a political hoax.
Burr compared covid-19 to the 1918 pandemic in private a month ago.

 

[hodad]

China is blaming the virus on the USA...
I guess that is what's going on

I'm not entirely sure if that's true, but Russia, via OAN, is definitely propagating that nonsense.  It's possible that Trump is being manipulated by Russian propaganda into going after China on this one--which would really, really, really be a sad commentary on Trump.

 

[kambo]

its funny to read everybody blaming one side for taking advantage on stock market,
like opposition were not selling any! 

thanks to idiots around around to country, Trump going to be the biggest hero  ;D ;D ;D

 

[dogears]

Why can't it be both?  Don't try to justify Trump's racist garbage.  Seriously.  It's beneath you.

EDIT:  I just read that there's a right wing conspiracy theory that this virus is a Chinese bioweapon.  If you don't think that Trump is trying to fuel that racist nonsense with his "Chinese virus" BS, then you are an idiot.

Spanish flu
Russian flu
Hong Kong flu

not racist

Wuhan flu when used by Chinese journalists - not racist

Chinese flu...racist?

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[dogears]

It seems there is a political intent - I'm just not sure what it is. What value does Trump and his supporters see in picking this fight? Because it is picking a fight with China AND Trump's political opponents. He just had a new conference where he raised the rhetoric even more.

Trump has a track record of exaggerating and sowing discord, but how will that help now? Working with Dems in the house is the only way to get stimulus. Without stimulus the economy is going down hard.  The US is dependent on China for the supply chain including health supplies. Do we really want China to not work with us?  If another country develops a vaccine, why would they share it with the US after this kind behavior? (including the news from Germany a few days ago)

Whether you see the name as offensive or not, what is the value of making a fight out of it?

He started calling it the Chinese flu 24 hrs after our state dept formally called their atache or someone in to call them about blaming the US for the disease in their media.

 

[dogears]

That's not a "week old news" ....
This is scientifically documented since months now in China and South Korea.

Here in France we have a well know epidemiologist scientist that follow and improve more or less the protocol few week ago on contaminated volunteer... what happen ? since 3 week or more it was called a fake... even at official health minister website... (for 36h before the pull out the "fake news alarm")...then ?....silence

I just don't get it... except western country that can't admit chines science is good and can solve "issue" before we even think of it...

Chloroquine (coupled with specific antibiotic to avoid bacterial lung over infection)  still have issue and problematic side effect
BUT this is well know treatment since decades !!! and you can anticipate/adapt with specific patient
This is a low cost drug, easy to synthesize and manufacture...but maybe we wait for a patented vaccine...

Data are clear... Cov19 viral charge is high about 20 days (average)... if you don't die in the mean time... this treatment give 85% of patient "clean" in 5 days

If I'm right, that's how South Korea  (China can always be blamed with biased number) get low average fatalities wile being one of the most impacted coutry

That's my 2c... but we (EU...UK..US...) realy f**k't'up

Best AND KEEP SAFE
Zam

While it is encouraging it wasn't a randomized or clinical trial. It may be the way forward. It may not. I guarantee you docs are going to use it off label if they think it'll work.

Also. S Korea did a much better job of containment, didn't get a widespread outbreak of multiple epidemics across a huge geographic area. No Western country has managed this yet (maybe some of the Scandanavian countries will pull it off).

 

[JohnRoberts]

I guess it is good news to see everybody feeling comfortable enough in their personal safety to engage in small ball politics full bore...
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wrt the anti-malarial... it's success is anecdotal, not proved by clinical trial... I am pretty sure it is being tested now properly and as fast as they can pedal.
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I don't think anybody here is intentionally misrepresenting matters of fact, so there must still be a lot of bad information going around.  Caveat Lector.

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I am not a fan of "helicopter money"...As the description conveys an excessive shower of money, not a reasonable support net. I try not be a mind reader (like so many here), but POTUS openly considers the stock market a measure of his administration's performance so it is not a huge stretch to speculate about his motives regarding the markets.  (I am long the stock market and would personally benefit from a whatever it takes strategy to raise markets, so I am not arguing for my own self interest here.). We have not fully recovered from the 2007/2008 credit collapse. Too much liquidity since then has caused any number of economic distortions that we will not fully grasp until the tide goes out. Putting another layer of economic support on top of that will just bury the problems deeper. This helicopter money is not created from thin air (while it could be printed) it is generally borrowed with some expectation of paying it back. I haven't seen that discipline even seriously considered for several administrations.
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Good luck to everybody, protect your health and that of loved ones..... and please stop hoarding toilet paper.

JR 

 

[sodderboy]

Dealing with the pandemic?!?  I deal with Winter every year.

When fall hits I start an immuno regimen.  I am allergic to cats (and mold, pollen, dust, mousesh*t, everything, etc) but take our friendly feral cat Ruby D in the house when temps go below 0Cº.  She just learned the litter box at age 14, ahh, 98?  What a kitt!  I'll keel-over before she does.

I rock oregano oil, Zn-Cu, C, Mg, D3 and real sunlight when possible. . . I won't give the whole list.  I have to be very aware of my breathing because I get attacked there.  No flu shot- "I don't believe in it" (SSL Tech, re. BYPASS)

One lemon juiced in a quart of water for breakfast.  That has had many folks throw away their daily "purple pill" as well as recently "deal with the pandemic" .  Vitamin C and alkalization.  Viruses like acidity.  They hate caloric restriction and alkalinity.

Greens greens greens.  Simmer sliced or minced garlic in 1/4 cup of water in a pan and wilt a washed bunch of deveined cut kale in it.  A little olive oil, or butter, salt and or lemon if you like.  Same goes with collards, spinach, broccoli, chard, etc.  Learn to love it, it will love you.

Yoga.  Absolutely the best way to "deal with a pandemic".  They closed the gym where 40 of us practice thrice a week so we are home practicing now.  We are exchanging home flow sequences and music.  I am almost finished an all-Bowie hour-long flow, but man it's tough.  The beauty of intentions, exertions, stretching,  panic, breathing, sweating, falling, striving, failing, energies, thanksgivings, regrets,  gratifications and prayers intertwined in a yoga practice are available to all.  At the very least you will be tired and at peace when you die from the "pandemic".

No broadcast or fee-vee-elevision.  No newstritionally deficient A/V unless we are infected somewhere outside of our house.  Broadcast TV is an absolute viral brain infection scamdemic that we have been avoiding for over a decade.  Same with anti-social media.  Total reverberational brain rot.

They closed the local Himalayan salt cave.  Yeah, we are absolutely spoiled here.  I thought it a joke until after my third session there.  The salt provides real healing for those respiratorily moist or aggravated.  My night breathing was so clear after the third session.  The Cave really helps strengthen folks' immunity but they closed to protect their staff.  Don't know if the Himalayan salt crystal lamps work, but I am rigging a DIY salt inhaler until the Cave opens again.

We have some raw quinine from the local hispanic market, but I prefer a gin and tonic for my dosage, so will proceed accordingly.

Oh yeah, and all that hand-washing, no face-touching, close everything, distancing stuff too. . .

Be well everyone,
Mike

 

[cyrano]

Covid-19 transmission to/from animals has been confirmed.

 

[fazer]

No, look up the STOCK act from 2012.

Within days of the act , closed door sessions were done amending some of the changes.    Anyway I would love to see a Martha Stewart pulled on all of them.  I doubt anything will be done.  I personally felt uneasy about it and cashed out back in January but not because of Covid.  I was just nervous after the long run and the 2008 crisis was on my mind.   

My wife has a Workout routine with straps on doors , free weights and workout Balls that actually is great and can be transported less the weights.  We live in the foothills and on a 8k ft mountain that we hike on.   

I want to spend more time being thankful so should probably do more music and less brewery but to each there own.  Hope everybody stays safe . 

 

[kambo]

get ready for 2 weeks  national quarantine  )))
lots of idiots on the streets still buzzing around like nothing happening!

 

[Bo Deadly]

I just went outside walking around thinking that since I'm alone I could dodge people. But there are many many people outside. All of the neighborhood kids are riding their bikes and playing in backyards. Adults socializing although usually at a distance. Even older people who look like they're in the vulnerable category were out walking around. Clearly people are not talking this very seriously. In about 6 weeks I suspect they'll start to understand better.

 

[sodderboy]

Oh golly, folks outside walking around in the nice afternoon sunny weather?  Stay AWAY from them or you will get infected by their stupidity!  Huddle in a bawl in a corner of your nest.  Crunch your ramen dry because there might be virus in the steam of boiled water.  BE AFRAID!!

Why are the 80's hammering my head lately?  Man, I LOVE that bridge and the 80's Kramer guitar vibe, be patient for it!  34 years ago?  This pyandyemic!! has infected me with 80's songs with lovely bridges.  I think it is a psychological channelling to gird my loins with 80's youthful guitar-music-love-energy for some kind of immunity strength.  C'mon that guitar sound can kill anything evil.

A dear friend wants someone infected to sneeze in his face to BANG! and get it over with.  Heh-heh.  Not my choice.  I'm walking with my neighbors outside in the nice afternoon sunny weather.

Mike

 

[marcn]

Covid-19 transmission to/from animals has been confirmed.

source?
Everywhere I look it says there's no evidence of this.

 

[fazer]

Sunshine helped people in 1918.  There is a picture of a tent city with patients moved out to cots in the sun because it helped. 

Our trip up the mountain was just the 2 of us and we saw 2 other people 500 yards away.  Since then we got a snow storm so it’s been workouts inside and snow shoveling outside for about a 1/2 hour.

 

[kambo]

source?
Everywhere I look it says there's no evidence of this.

here is one....
https://time.com/5805524/hong-kong-dog-dies-after-coronavirus-quarantine/

 

[pucho812]

its funny to read everybody blaming one side for taking advantage on stock market,
like opposition were not selling any! 

thanks to idiots around around to country, Trump going to be the biggest hero  ;D ;D ;D

I saw that this morning. the headline was  "insert name here" + 3 co workers. depending on which website you saw it from, they either named the republican, or the democrat who did this.  just shows that you don't get wealthy from politics unless you are crooked.

in other notes for all the L.A. lock down sure doesn't seem like it  with folks around driving and going everywhere. I suspect it will; be more informed in the wee hours of the night and not day time.  oh well what can you do.

Lastly I  this tweet from The Who did not age well.
https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fworld%2Fworld-health-organization-january-tweet-china-human-transmission-coronavirus 

 

[kambo]

just shows that you don't get wealthy from politics unless you are crooked.

its other way around actually!
unless u are crooked, u cant be politician, they just dont let you.

 

[living sounds]

here is one....
https://time.com/5805524/hong-kong-dog-dies-after-coronavirus-quarantine/

A 17 year old Pomeranian (life span according to Wikipedia 12-16 years) that had initially tested "weak positive" for Coronavirus and never shown symptoms died 2 days after leaving quarantine. An autopsy was never performed.

That's not evidence. In fact one can not and should not infer anything regarding transmission of the virus from this story.

 

[kambo]

i really dont care if u take it as evidence or not...
there is no evidence of opposite either!
end of the day if we can clearly get virus from CAMEL and BAT,
dog is good enough ANIMAL for me to stay away from right now !