covid politics

[JohnRoberts]

Nice. Put that one in a jar with 'Murica. The point is NOT the isolation protocol afterwards, but the fact that this person knew he tested positive and didn't tell his co-workers for over a week while they could have been spreading it... but you can keep fooling yourself.  Talk about moving some goal posts. That republican should pat himself on the back for hiding the fact that he tested positive and then did the right thing one week later... You are absolved, my son.

Did you even read the link your posted?

from that link-

Lewis added that he followed the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's workplace exposure guidelines to determine who may have been exposed, saying, "I can confirm every member or staff member who met the criteria for exposure was immediately contacted and required to self-isolate for 14 days from their date of possible exposure."

He claims that he "immediately" contacted every member or staff member who met criteria for exposure. I do not see how he put anybody at risk.

Instead of receiving sympathy for his medical condition, he is attacked and called a "scumbag"? Apparently you can make this shit up. 

JR

 

[hodad]

No whataboutism is to excuse bad behavior by showing other examples...
JR

I had to take a look at this, & from what I can tell whataboutism is more about attempting to weaken the argument of your opponent by pointing out his hypocrisy (real or imagined.)  I think that is precisely what you were doing. 
I also don't buy this notion that you actually care about bad behavior on your side since you essentially dismiss the entire issue by asking whether there aren't "more important" issues to be concerned with. 

 

[JohnRoberts]

I had to take a look at this, & from what I can tell whataboutism is more about attempting to weaken the argument of your opponent by pointing out his hypocrisy (real or imagined.)  I think that is precisely what you were doing. 
I also don't buy this notion that you actually care about bad behavior on your side since you essentially dismiss the entire issue by asking whether there aren't "more important" issues to be concerned with.

I never argue with people about what they think I think...  :

Yes I was pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.

JR

 

[iturnknobs]

More Republicans behaving badly. I'm in Illinois. Pritzker is our governor(D). In the small print, it says, "the life out of Illinois and small businesses".  The policies put in place probably saved this person's parents or grandparents. Politics aside, this is no way to teach children in the neighborhood how to behave and act... but one party seems to always be such a treat.

 

[iturnknobs]

Did you even read the link your posted?

Yes, I did.

from that link-
He claims that he "immediately" contacted every member or staff member who met criteria for exposure. I do not see how he put anybody at risk.

Are you telling me that the Republicans are actually now listening to the science? Only to deceive and withhold information. Everyone should have been notified and you know it. Why protect people behaving poorly? Why should I have sympathy for someone who represents a party that indirectly is pushing for the spread of the virus through their policies. Seems Darwinian to me.

 

[iturnknobs]

C'mon man ;D

Touché and well played.  I expect to see that at a political rally and/or protest. Not in the yards of my neighborhood. I can see a difference between the separate venues. I don't see offensive and provocative things like this in the yards of "lefties". In fact, they rarely politically identify in their yards. While you can find more contradictory images on the internet, I can ride around my neighborhood for a few minutes and come up with plenty of example via photography.

 

[crazydoc]

And this is what they put up around here. A mask could be anything -- including self-made from cloth.

Hmm... I wonder if the different attitude has anything to do with these numbers:
Japan cases - 16,759    deaths  882
USA cases 1,758,153  deaths 102,957

But hey, we've got freedom!

 

[crazydoc]

I don't see offensive and provocative things like this in the yards of "lefties". In fact, they rarely politically identify in their yards.

I sure don't put up political signs at my house - right wing aggressive retribution (property  damage) is likely a given in this hyper-conservative county.

 

[hodad]

Yes I was pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.

JR

Hence, whataboutism. 

Wasn't that what I said?

 

[Matador]

C'mon man ;D

Hmmm...so this is the counterargument to "but one party seems to always be such a treat"? 

How did you know which party these kids were representing?

 

[Script]

Hmm... I wonder if the different attitude has anything to do with these numbers:
Japan cases - 16,759    deaths  882
USA cases 1,758,153  deaths 102,957

Numbers in Japan are most likely underreported. If severely ill cases are added to current number of deaths  and the result is posited as 1 percent letality, current total of infections is probably between 80.000 and 100.000, and deaths at around 1.000. But even these numbers are probably still too low.

Excess deaths could be used as another indicator. Some argue that  lockdowns lead to more suicides and solitary heart attacks etc.

In Japan house sheltering was completely voluntary (strongly advised though). Well, in fact, people started self-restraint (wearing masks and avoiding random meetings) long before the government even considered any declaration other than Olympics-related.

Mortality data here has just shown that in the first three months of this year there was a 0.7 percent fall from the average, meaning less deaths. Less influenza cases (due to almost everyone wearing masks), fewer elderly confounding the gas with the break pedal, fewer low-income-related suicides among young people, fewer people accidentally falling of train platforms, fewer people dieing from knocking together IKEA furniture. Nobody knows. It's 'amazing -- like magic.'

Anyway, Japan has a population of 126M.

 

[scott2000]

Less influenza cases (due to almost everyone wearing masks),

What do these numbers look like?

 

[iturnknobs]

I don't actually understand your question but, it made me think extra how tasteless it all is. I'm  removing it.

I actually had  similar feelings when the elections were done and the media was telling everyone how terrible of an example for children Trump was with all the porn star stuff,etc...... 

I used to be in awe anytime the President was talked about on tv in my childhood. I suppose ignorance was bliss then.

I have gone back and removed the image from your post which I quoted. I, at the very least, could practice what I preach. We should all speak out against people behaving poorly. This is how to teach the children... I'll give signs at protests a pass. 1st Amendment. Probably not a good place for the kids, anyway. Definitely not a situation resulting in permanently, unavoidable posted signs.

 

[iturnknobs]

I sure don't put up political signs at my house - right wing aggressive retribution (property  damage) is likely a given in this hyper-conservative county.

Therein lies the problem. I just don't see the people with "Peace" and "Co-Exist" bumper stickers behaving the same way... which are more rare than inflammatory bumper stickers, even within the Chicago suburbs. I guess there is no shame.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I sure don't put up political signs at my house - right wing aggressive retribution (property  damage) is likely a given in this hyper-conservative county.

I don't put up political signs on my property either but not because of right wing retribution.  : I do remove all the political signs that people put on my property without permission and I don't give anybody permission. Perhaps my yard is popular because I live about 100 yards from the local polling place.

I even removed a Vote Obama/Biden sign from my yard one year.   

JR

 

[iturnknobs]

I even removed a Vote Obama/Biden sign from my yard one year.   

JR

It's your yard. Regardless of political position, no one has a right to do that. I would pull the sign, even if it benefited my position, out of principle. The issue I have is, enough people chose a governor in my state, via elections. I ASSume that more than 50% did so... even if through mail-in-votes, hence the outcome. Now, I've got multiple neighbors that make their "point", knowing full well that they have made damn well sure that over 50% of the neighborhood has been made unwelcome. So much for the housewarming pie. Unnecessary and unhelpful. Can't say the same about the rare, bold household that plants a "Hate Has No Home Here" sign. How dare they be so bold, as diesel fumes spew with Confederate Flags flying in the back of the pick-ups... in my neighborhood. One could just wave hello, instead of doing what they do. I'm not making this sh*t up. I suppose they'll teach me one of these days.

 

[iturnknobs]

I would ASSume the "How dare they" question /comment made me seem quite the fool in our "freedom of speech" constitutional rights spewing society.  Because I am obviously a left-leaning crunchy hippie, I play frisbee golf. I smoke pot too. Shocker. I went out into society to throw frisbees because restrictions are loosening and we can only stay inside so long. Golf is allowed in Illinois and has been for 2 weeks. Silly democratic governor allowed a few people to congregate together outside. I get it. Economy aside, it cannot be good for little children's brains to have no social interaction... same to be said for the adults.

I am white and have a shaved head because it is easy. Same for my friend who played "frolf/frisbee golf" for the second time ever, being yesterday. An INDIVIDUAL who felt FREE decided that he could say "Mind if I join you guys?" and it was an accepted self-invitation with other white dudes... and my left leaning buddy  said "Sure", not knowing golf etiquette and trying to be friendly. I saw the baseball hat with an American Flag that was actually made up of different rifle rounds, representing the stars and stripes. As this UNINVITED individual encroached on my friend and I, he made NO effort to social distance. Given HIS party's stance concerning the issue, I myself, SCIENTIFICALLY want to social distance  for REAL reasons. HIS party's behavior and stance about this virus can only make a person like this statistically more likely to be a carrier. My friend and I stayed well over 6 feet away from each other and walked to "said" park to not ride in he same vehicle together. Now this un-invited, gun proclaiming yahoo starts to  politicize Covid-19. All I say is: "Like mosquitos, we can't choose where that sh*t goes. You can't stop nature." Wow. The person who wanted to be antagonistic and argumentative didn't know what to say.  It's crazy how that is a STUMPER for freedom screamers... and then 10 minutes later he tried to convince me that ANTIFA dropped pallets of bricks around the country for anarchist protest reasons in major cities... WITH NO PROOF... I've been searching... nothing credible... HOLY SH*T. Twitter is NOT a news source.  I AM A JERK MAGNET. Time to grow out my hair and start wearing  tye-dye shirts. Uneducated, racist b*stards might stop trying to buddy up to me. Hide in the basement and turn off the lights. AMERICA MIGHT BE GREAT AGAIN... just look away. Not only can you not make this stuff up, but I can't keep these people away from me as I choose to NOT outwardly politically identify. May America get what it deserves.

 

[FarisElek]

I would ASSume the "How dare they" question /comment made me seem quite the fool in our "freedom of speech" constitutional rights spewing society.  Because I am obviously a left-leaning crunchy hippie, I play frisbee golf. I smoke pot too. Shocker. I went out into society to throw frisbees because restrictions are loosening and we can only stay inside so long. Golf is allowed in Illinois and has been for 2 weeks. Silly democratic governor allowed a few people to congregate together outside. I get it. Economy aside, it cannot be good for little children's brains to have no social interaction... same to be said for the adults.

I am white and have a shaved head because it is easy. Same for my friend who played "frolf/frisbee golf" for the second time ever, being yesterday. An INDIVIDUAL who felt FREE decided that he could say "Mind if I join you guys?" and it was an accepted self-invitation with other white dudes... and my left leaning buddy  said "Sure", not knowing golf etiquette and trying to be friendly. I saw the baseball hat with an American Flag that was actually made up of different rifle rounds, representing the stars and stripes. As this UNINVITED individual encroached on my friend and I, he made NO effort to social distance. Given HIS party's stance concerning the issue, I myself, SCIENTIFICALLY want to social distance  for REAL reasons. HIS party's behavior and stance about this virus can only make a person like this statistically more likely to be a carrier. My friend and I stayed well over 6 feet away from each other and walked to "said" park to not ride in he same vehicle together. Now this un-invited, gun proclaiming yahoo starts to  politicize Covid-19. All I say is: "Like mosquitos, we can't choose where that sh*t goes. You can't stop nature." Wow. The person who wanted to be antagonistic and argumentative didn't know what to say.  It's crazy how that is a STUMPER for freedom screamers... and then 10 minutes later he tried to convince me that ANTIFA dropped pallets of bricks around the country for anarchist protest reasons in major cities... WITH NO PROOF... I've been searching... nothing credible... HOLY SH*T. Twitter is NOT a news source.  I AM A JERK MAGNET. Time to grow out my hair and start wearing  tye-dye shirts. Uneducated, racist b*stards might stop trying to buddy up to me. Hide in the basement and turn off the lights. AMERICA MIGHT BE GREAT AGAIN... just look away. Not only can you not make this stuff up, but I can't keep these people away from me as I choose to NOT outwardly politically identify. May America get what it deserves.

Your thoughts and feelings on this issue are very valid. Misinformation travels very fast through social media and that combined with group mentality is deadly. I’ve been thinking about the allegory of the cave a lot lately.

Also, hello fellow Illinoian!


Ryan

 

[JohnRoberts]

I would ASSume the "How dare they" question /comment made me seem quite the fool in our "freedom of speech" constitutional rights spewing society.  Because I am obviously a left-leaning crunchy hippie, I play frisbee golf. I smoke pot too. Shocker. I went out into society to throw frisbees because restrictions are loosening and we can only stay inside so long. Golf is allowed in Illinois and has been for 2 weeks. Silly democratic governor allowed a few people to congregate together outside. I get it. Economy aside, it cannot be good for little children's brains to have no social interaction... same to be said for the adults.

I am white and have a shaved head because it is easy. Same for my friend who played "frolf/frisbee golf" for the second time ever, being yesterday. An INDIVIDUAL who felt FREE decided that he could say "Mind if I join you guys?" and it was an accepted self-invitation with other white dudes... and my left leaning buddy  said "Sure", not knowing golf etiquette and trying to be friendly. I saw the baseball hat with an American Flag that was actually made up of different rifle rounds, representing the stars and stripes. As this UNINVITED individual encroached on my friend and I, he made NO effort to social distance. Given HIS party's stance concerning the issue, I myself, SCIENTIFICALLY want to social distance  for REAL reasons. HIS party's behavior and stance about this virus can only make a person like this statistically more likely to be a carrier. My friend and I stayed well over 6 feet away from each other and walked to "said" park to not ride in he same vehicle together. Now this un-invited, gun proclaiming yahoo starts to  politicize Covid-19. All I say is: "Like mosquitos, we can't choose where that sh*t goes. You can't stop nature." Wow. The person who wanted to be antagonistic and argumentative didn't know what to say.  It's crazy how that is a STUMPER for freedom screamers... and then 10 minutes later he tried to convince me that ANTIFA dropped pallets of bricks around the country for anarchist protest reasons in major cities... WITH NO PROOF... I've been searching... nothing credible... HOLY SH*T. Twitter is NOT a news source.  I AM A JERK MAGNET. Time to grow out my hair and start wearing  tye-dye shirts. Uneducated, racist b*stards might stop trying to buddy up to me. Hide in the basement and turn off the lights. AMERICA MIGHT BE GREAT AGAIN... just look away. Not only can you not make this stuff up, but I can't keep these people away from me as I choose to NOT outwardly politically identify. May America get what it deserves.

It is human nature to look for conspiracies behind what could be coincidences.

Police departments in a number of large cities (NYC, Kansas City, Dallas, Fayetteville (?) NC) have reported finding stashes of bricks and even accelerants.

The best (most insane) conspiracy theory I heard said that the police planted the bricks so they could charge peaceful protestors with more serious crimes.  :  The photos could be staged or even faked.

Sometimes if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.... sometimes it isn't.  This is sure a bright shiny distraction to change the topic of discussion.

JR 

 

[FarisElek]

Those are construction sites that happen to be near protests. But yeah, it's easy to find bullshit if that's what you're looking for. First of all, there is no way for antifa to supply bricks to anyone. It's not an organization, there are no meetings, there is no council, there is no source of funding, etc. Antifa is simply a philosophical belief. It's short for anti-fascist. I hope and assume everyone on this board is anti-fascist. In Austin, many of the aggressors at the protests (there weren't many), were actually identified and there facebooks were shared. The main couple I saw were super far right white guys causing trouble to discredit the movement. Every day keeps getting crazier. But I like to see it as it has to get really bad before it gets better. So I hope for true peace and justice for us soon, instead of the false peace we've been living in for decades.