Deaths from climate change

[user 41968]

Yes, that's what I been saying all along, climate catastrophe believers don't make any sense

Like the Covidians. It's a religious cult.

 

[user 41968]

Hottest summer on record? In Texas, not so.

 

[jabe]

Hottest summer on record? In Texas, not so.

• It was the hottest July on record overall for the planet, not "hottest summer" in a specific city.
• "Consecutive days over 100F" isn't the measure for hottest July overall.
• If one did want to change the subject and use "days over 100F", total days would the more meaningful measure.
• We are mid-August, so do not have enough data to compare the overall year, summer, or total "consecutive days" of anything to past years.
• The chart is only for Dallas/Ft. Worth, not even Texas as a whole.
• The chart has no source.

Etc., etc.

Side note: I would not advise metal foil headwear in temperatures above 100F.

 

[crazydoc]

Side note: I would not advise metal foil headwear in temperatures above 100F.

Too late - it's obvious the damage has already been done.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Too late - it's obvious the damage has already been done.

If the tin foil is shiny it might reflect rather than absorb radiant energy.

JR

 

[crazydoc]

But it would absorb by conduction, then reflect the trapped energy back inward, not letting it escape, just like greenhouse gasses.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

But it would absorb by conduction, then reflect the trapped energy back inward, not letting it escape, just like greenhouse gasses.

Stick to medicine. Your physics blows.

 

[JohnRoberts]

But it would absorb by conduction,

Thermal conduction generally requires physical contact, conduction from ambient air has relatively high thermal resistance, so not much heat transfer occurs.

One of my patents (as co-inventor) is for a heat sink design (6,515,859 Roberts , et al. February 4, 2003 Heat sink alignment ). Heat transfer from conduction when air molecules bounce against a heat sink is increased significantly by forced air.

then reflect the trapped energy back inward, not letting it escape, just like greenhouse gasses.

Not even a little.... I will write this off as attempted humor.
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My weather forecast for today is calling for 100'F (110' THI). A hat can be protective in direct sunlight, but tinfoil is not common material for sun hats. I plan to remain indoors today drinking cold beer (it's mostly water) to stay hydrated.

JR

 

[Matador]

increased significantly by forced air

There is more than an abundance of "forced air".

 

[AnalogPackrat]

There is more than an abundance of "forced air".

Between Al Gore and John Kerry, I agree.

 

[crazydoc]

Stick to medicine. Your physics blows.

So does your essentially nonexistent sense of humor - must be an engineering thing.

Thermal conduction generally requires physical contact, conduction from ambient air has relatively high thermal resistance, so not much heat transfer occurs.

Then shut off your air conditioner.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

So does your essentially nonexistent sense of humor - must be an engineering thing.

Your comments in jest fall flat.

Then shut off your air conditioner.

Was that supposed to be funny, too?

 

[JohnRoberts]

Then shut off your air conditioner.

That must be a CA thing.... and don't charge your EVs on hot days...

My air conditioner (heat pump) just indicated that it isn't holding temp but the temperature outside is 99' and still climbing. [edit- my remote thermometer by my side yard read 105', while my remote in the shaded carport only peaked at 98' /edit] My thermostat at 82' is set 4' warmer than the CA energy saving advice.

According to my power company ....... "This bill, you used 5% less electricity than last year." I don't feel lucky about the next bill with a string of 100' days lately.

JR

 

[cyrano]

easier to attack people than the science while the attack on fossil fuels is a perversion of the science. Climate change is an objective fact (climate has always been changing). Using this as an excuse to shut down the fossil fuel industry is wrong for multiple reasons.

The "attack" on fossil fuels? What do they have to do to make you realise these are the same kind of scoundrels as the tobacco industry?

They've known for decades what they were causing and still are leaking massive amounts of methane without even being questioned.

This is criminal behaviour, whatever you think about global warming.

The climate dogma has become so ingrained in media that I see bad examples in almost every newspaper article I read. Today's nugget was in an article about genetically altered beef cattle , and salmon, to mature faster. The claim was that this is to make them more "climate change resistant".

This would be funny if it wasn't so damaging.

If you're talking about science, your sources shouldn't be the newspapers. I'd think that is pretty obvious, no?

What's next? Analysis of crime based on "Family Guy" cartoons?

 

[JohnRoberts]

The "attack" on fossil fuels? What do they have to do to make you realise these are the same kind of scoundrels as the tobacco industry?

I make no claims about anybody's character. More, inexpensive energy, is necessary for the human race to prosper. There are scumbags everywhere even in government.

They've known for decades what they were causing and still are leaking massive amounts of methane without even being questioned.

The ramped up regulation of methane emissions seems relatively recent (2021/2022). If this is a cost effective way to reduce global warming, what's wrong with that?

This is criminal behaviour, whatever you think about global warming.

do you have a statute or citation? There was probably some language thrown into the misnamed "Inflation reduction act".

If you're talking about science, your sources shouldn't be the newspapers. I'd think that is pretty obvious, no?

exactly... but the low information public has been bombarded with this anti-fossil fuel agenda for years.

What's next? Analysis of crime based on "Family Guy" cartoons?

Nice try.... I have already posted a handful of books with credible analysis of the ideology based climate agenda. Epstein calls it "anti-human" because making energy more expense and harder to get will harm humans. Low cost energy will help humans.

JR

PS; I don't want to even think about dealing with this heat wave (weather) without electricity. A friend of mine living in Atlanta has a broken air conditioner right now, so I am sympathetic.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

The "attack" on fossil fuels? What do they have to do to make you realise these are the same kind of scoundrels as the tobacco industry?

Poor analogy. Tobacco didn't advance civilization.

They've known for decades what they were causing and still are leaking massive amounts of methane without even being questioned.

Now that it's a valuable resource it can be captured and sold so that Europeans can survive winters and cook their food.

 

[cyrano]

I make no claims about anybody's character. More, inexpensive energy, is necessary for the human race to prosper. There are scumbags everywhere even in government.

So it's okay, since there are scumbags everywhere? Hope your home doesn't get burglarised, since there are burglars eveywhere.

The ramped up regulation of methane emissions seems relatively recent (2021/2022). If this is a cost effective way to reduce global warming, what's wrong with that?

ESA's sattelites make tracking possible. That's a very recent event. It clearly show that the oil industry in the USA doesn't care one bit. It's far cheaper to pay the fines, if there ever will be than to fix the leaks. And those leaks are everywhere, not only in Texas. I'll admit, Texas has the biggest ones... ;-)

do you have a statute or citation? There was probably some language thrown into the misnamed "Inflation reduction act".

Yeah, change the subject. Preferably to some mistake Biden made. Not relevant. US sites have been leaking for many years. Let's not forget methane is forty times more harmful to the atmosphere than CO2. And the biggest difference is that CO2 is unavoidable, unless we stop breathing, but methane isn'. Well, except for marshes and the defrosting north, of course. But maybe we can deny these away too?

exactly... but the low information public has been bombarded with this anti-fossil fuel agenda for years.

The "low information" public doesn't even have a clue. Don't use them as a scapegoat. Fortunately, the less intelligent, paranoid, uneducated part of the population doesn't give a rat's ass. You, on the other hand, are clearly capable of understanding the problem. Unfortunately, you seem to have been poisoned by propaganda from the oil industry. Does that come with owning stock?

Nice try.... I have already posted a handful of books with credible analysis of the ideology based climate agenda. Epstein calls it "anti-human" because making energy more expense and harder to get will harm humans. Low cost energy will help humans.

That's not science, John. It's speculation at best.

PS; I don't want to even think about dealing with this heat wave (weather) without electricity. A friend of mine living in Atlanta has a broken air conditioner right now, so I am sympathetic.

I wonder how the first cowboys even survived in that awfully hot country of yours.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

So it's okay, since there are scumbags everywhere? Hope your home doesn't get burglarised, since there are burglars eveywhere.

Let's leave the "defund the police" stuff in the other thread.

ESA's sattelites make tracking possible. That's a very recent event. It clearly show that the oil industry in the USA doesn't care one bit. It's far cheaper to pay the fines, if there ever will be than to fix the leaks. And those leaks are everywhere, not only in Texas. I'll admit, Texas has the biggest ones... ;-)

Does Europe consume oil and gas products?

Yeah, change the subject. Preferably to some mistake Biden made. Not relevant. US sites have been leaking for many years. Let's not forget methane is forty times more harmful to the atmosphere than CO2. And the biggest difference is that CO2 is unavoidable, unless we stop breathing, but methane isn'. Well, except for marshes and the defrosting north, of course. But maybe we can deny these away too?

You forgot 7B humans farting. Methane isn't avoidable if you want to live. And termites produce it as they break down wood early in the decay cycle. What do you suppose happened to "the defrosting north" during the many prior interglacial warm periods?

The "low information" public doesn't even have a clue. Don't use them as a scapegoat. Fortunately, the less intelligent, paranoid, uneducated part of the population doesn't give a rat's ass.

Many are busy surviving the latest human "leadership" caused inflationary period. Or wars.

You, on the other hand, are clearly capable of understanding the problem. Unfortunately, you seem to have been poisoned by propaganda from the oil industry. Does that come with owning stock?

Not everyone sees the situation as problematic (or, more correctly, as an accurately understood phenomenon).

That's not science, John. It's speculation at best.

Much like projections based on only very recent direct data and a lot of indirectly inferred data which is not well-understood being fed into questionable and unproven software models.

I wonder how the first cowboys even survived in that awfully hot country of yours.

Your knowledge of American history and geography is amazingly poor.

 

[JohnRoberts]

So it's okay, since there are scumbags everywhere? Hope your home doesn't get burglarised, since there are burglars eveywhere.

I hope your home doesn't get burgled.

ESA's sattelites make tracking possible. That's a very recent event. It clearly show that the oil industry in the USA doesn't care one bit. It's far cheaper to pay the fines, if there ever will be than to fix the leaks. And those leaks are everywhere, not only in Texas. I'll admit, Texas has the biggest ones... ;-)

I can't read minds but if the fines are less than the cost to mitigate the release it's just business to pay the lesser amount.

Yeah, change the subject. Preferably to some mistake Biden made. Not relevant. US sites have been leaking for many years. Let's not forget methane is forty times more harmful to the atmosphere than CO2. And the biggest difference is that CO2 is unavoidable, unless we stop breathing, but methane isn'. Well, except for marshes and the defrosting north, of course. But maybe we can deny these away too?

too... come on... please stop the rambling dissemination.

The "low information" public doesn't even have a clue. Don't use them as a scapegoat. Fortunately, the less intelligent, paranoid, uneducated part of the population doesn't give a rat's ass. You, on the other hand, are clearly capable of understanding the problem. Unfortunately, you seem to have been poisoned by propaganda from the oil industry. Does that come with owning stock?

That is insulting, but it seems like one of us may have been mislead by climate ideology (I don't mean me) .

That's not science, John. It's speculation at best.

I just saw POTUS interviewed by the "weather channel" (seriously) claiming that climate change was an existential problem.

I wonder how the first cowboys even survived in that awfully hot country of yours.

I keep my refer stocked with cold beer.... (and my heat pump).

JR

 

[ruffrecords]

A group of wealthy investors wanted to be able to predict the outcome of a horse race. So they hired a group of biologists, a group of statisticians, and a group of physicists. Each group was given a year to research the issue. After one year, the groups all reported to the investors. The biologists said that they could genetically engineer an unbeatable racehorse, but it would take 200 years and $100bn. The statisticians reported next. They said that they could predict the outcome of any race, at a cost of $100m per race, and they would only be right 10% of the time. Finally, the physicists reported that they could also predict the outcome of any race, and that their process was cheap and simple. The investors listened eagerly to this proposal. The head physicist reported, "We have made several simplifying assumptions: first, let each horse be a perfect rolling sphere… "

This is really the joke form of "all models are wrong, some models are useful" and also sums up the sort of physics confidence that they can solve problems (ie, by making the model solvable).

Seems to me to be a fair summary of the current state of climate science.

Cheers

Ian