Good first studio preamps on a (tight) budget

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I hate everything on the market right now except the ART transX preamps. never heard them . I'm just saying. if I was going to buy preamps, this would be it. if you buy preamps without input transformers, youre throwing money away

What a load of tosh.

Have you tried all the preamps in the market that you hate them?

And the one you'd get is the one that you've never tried?

Finally, our micpres are transformerless (with so many others) and so many serious engineers are using them.
 
Hi Soundsofjill, I’m not sure if any of these would fit in your budget, and of course I don’t know your building experience, however I would recommend looking at JLM audio offerings esp if you are looking for a kit…. I recently built a dual 99v and I find it excellent on most everything, but especially nice with dynamics with the massive amount of gain and variable impedance.

We did have a small problem with the supplied psu needing a soft start mod, but Joe was extremely responsive and we got it worked out in a cpl days.
 
I think the general consensus is :

Gordons are great
500 series rack is the way to go and add your preamps to it over time (CAPI, Gordon, AML [audio maintenance] etc.

Midas 10 slot 500 rack is like 250 bucks or less.

From what I've heard, CAPI products will get you API sound quality for about 250 bucks a piece.

I've been impressed with Klark Teknik and I think most people are too, especially when money is tight. It's not very popular around here because they copy other peoples' circuits.
 
When I listen to music, and I listen to a lot of amateur performers, it is very rare that I wish they recorded a piece on better equipment.

The first impressions always have to do with the presentation of melody, rhythm and lyrics.

Next up listening to how they recorded, mixed and mastered the song. You just can’t tell what preamp an instrument was recorded in a mix.

Also, if you enjoy tinkering with studio electronics (like most of us here on GroupDIY who love reinventing the mouse trap) that is a very different thing.
 
I occasionally, just for grins and a bit of a reality check, I'll listen again to some of the lowest-end gear I still have knocking around, and am usually pleasantly surprised at how good much of it sounds.

For example, the M-Audio MobilePre MkII; I don't know about the A/D part of it because it's never worked right, but I added a direct-out from the mic preamps, and it actually sounds pretty decent; the HP amp, too. It's extremely lightweight and will run off a 5v USB batt.

Also, the preamps (four of them!) in the little, plastic Spirit Folio Notepad sound much better than most people would expect from such a 'value' product; good design doesn't necessarily have to be expensive.
 
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Transformerless doesn't help if preamp is used in strong RF environment (i.e. nearby AM/FM/TV transmitter/antenna)...

Well that depends on degree and detail of rfi interference and the amplification details. Nothing is perfect- not even transformers. Starquard cable may give some advantage. Transformers are a "Bulletproof" option but increase THD (not withstanding Low Field or Mixed Feedback etc implementations)
 
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I've yet to hear a single report of interference issues in strong RF environments (isn't that almost everywhere these days?) with these xformerless pres which are very highly regarded by some of the top Classical engineers:
https://www.davelectronics.com/bg1.htm
https://audient.com/products/mic-pres/asp880/overview/

Yes we have more rfi in general now with increased wireless comms etc. But there are still instances where it is significantly greater than average eg around transmitters / communication hubs etc. You would generally want to avoid such locations for recording but sometimes unavoidable eg typically OB situations.
 
When I was designing mixers/consoles it always irritated me how customers discount preamps because there happens to be 8,16, 24, or more inside a single chassis. Putting multiple preamps side by side does not degrade performance. 🤔 The common ASSumption is that multiple preamp designers cut corners that affect performance. In fact there are significant cost savings from using a common chassis, common power supply, and buying components by the truckload.

For decades now mic preamps have been approaching theoretical low noise and high linearity limits. People have been trying to reinvent these already round wheels for years.

JR
 
Multiple tube preamps in one chasis can be problematic because of interaction between signal and/or power transformers. Turning them around can get quite hard, sometimes psu needs physical barrier like a piece of metal. Another thing to consider is ergonomics, if people want big knobs it can be hard to squeeze controls for 2ch on 2U rack front panel.
I recall Doug Fearn using 10(100?)uF /450V caps with resistors for separating decoupling two channels in his VT series, most other designers don't seem to use values so high, or any at all.
 
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