So yeah, the PC people have won once again..

[ComodoComplex]

My point is that Muslims, I dont care if they are white, blue or purple, will become a majority, and yes, you should be scared of Muslims, your goverment sure is, otherwise what have they been doing the last 20 years in the middle east? Why are they so afraid that Iran gets a nuclear weapon? What was the Boston Marathon bombing all about? What about if you draw a cartoon of Muhammad and you get killed like in France? Among others..

So I ask you, What do you think will happen when Islam becomes the mayority? forget about race for a second, I am talking ideology. What do you think will happen? do you think it is so far fetched that they will try to implement Sharia Law? Even if they don't what do you think will happen?

again, what do you think about my post https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=77112.msg983428#msg983428 No one has discussed that, you are still stuck with Niger.

I definitely don't support war in the middle east - and uhhh it hasn't been a (outwardly stated) war on islam. I appreciate that you state it that way though since it's a bit "mask-off". The irrational fear of islamic terrorism *has* however been used to strip away the fundamental rights that you say you value so much. What about muslims in Turkey who are largely secular? What about muslims in Indonesia who elect a majority of women to their parliamentary bodies? You are led first and foremost by fear of the unknown and xenophobia. And frankly I think you have just been misled, because believe that people are products of their environment. And I believe muslim immigrants assimilate and societies change as their wealth and standards of living change. Do I know what will happen when the world is majority muslim? No! LOL. But it's interesting you think we live in a world democracy where muslims just need 51% of the vote to implement the Sharia law that they... are 100% in consensus about within their own populations

 

[user 37518]

I definitely don't support war in the middle east - and uhhh it hasn't been a (outwardly stated) war on islam. I appreciate that you state it that way though since it's a bit "mask-off". The irrational fear of islamic terrorism *has* however been used to strip away the fundamental rights that you say you value so much. What about muslims in Turkey who are largely secular? What about muslims in Indonesia who elect a majority of women to their parliamentary bodies? You are led first and foremost by fear of the unknown and xenophobia. And frankly I think you have just been misled, because believe that people are products of their environment. And I believe muslim immigrants assimilate and societies change as their wealth and standards of living change. Do I know what will happen when the world is majority muslim? No! LOL. But it's interesting you think we live in a world democracy where muslims just need 51% of the vote to implement the Sharia law that they... are 100% in consensus about within their own populations

Even the left agrees with me, Bill Maher, Sam Harris, all of them say the same thing, Islam is dangerous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

And again, your comments on https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=77112.msg983428#msg983428

 

[ComodoComplex]

Ok, you are saying they are not allowed to say what they want even if its in a peaceful manner, then you totally agree they deserve to be maced, thrown bottles at, sprayed with pesticide, and phisically attacked, you think that is justified just because you don't agree? There are more videos, not only anti-homos like you say, there are pro-life videos and they still get attacked. It used to be that the state tried to silence the left's freedom of speech, now the left is the one silencing anyone who doesn't agree with them. You have to agree, even in a small way, that it is some kind of Facism dressed as "tolerance"

I believe that tolerance is a paradox. The government's role in freedom of speech should be to not persecute people for their beliefs, but.. no I don't believe they have an obligation to actively defend people with violent ideologies like Nazis and the Westboro Baptist Church. I don't condone violence, but what do you expect people to do when you tell them they can't exist? Those protesters are not asking the gays to stop marrying, they're preaching to society to stop letting the gays marry

 

[user 37518]

Those protesters are not asking the gays to stop marrying, they're preaching to society to stop letting the gays marry

They are not doing that, they just say Marriage = 1 Man + 1 Woman, thats it, even if they were preaching society, is that prohibited?

And again, your comments on https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=77112.msg983428#msg983428

 

[ComodoComplex]

Even the left agrees with me, Bill Maher, Sam Harris, all of them say the same thing, Islam is dangerous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

And again, your comments on https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=77112.msg983428#msg983428

1) they're not "the left" they're comfortably liberals (center/ center-right)

2) they're just wrong. Islam is not inherently violent. Re: Bill Maher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pjxPR36qFU&ab_channel=CNN

3) I already addressed the PEW research so what do you need me to address specifically in that post?

 

[ComodoComplex]

And again, your comments on https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=77112.msg983428#msg983428

Here I'll make it easy for you: https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=77112.msg983732#msg983732

 

[user 37518]

2) they're just wrong. Islam is not inherently violent. Re: Bill Maher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pjxPR36qFU&ab_channel=CNN

Right, because a Muslim from Iran says Islam is not violent that must be true.

 

[rob_gould]

user 37518 have you ever met or talked to a Muslim person?

 

[ComodoComplex]

Right, because a Muslim from Iran says Islam is not violent that must be true.

Actually I'm not basing anything on his identity. Just the substance of what he's saying. I thought you guys weren't into that?

 

[user 37518]

user 37518 have you ever met or talked to a Muslim person?

Of course, your point?

 

[ComodoComplex]

They are not doing that, they just say Marriage = 1 Man + 1 Woman, thats it, even if they were preaching society, is that prohibited?

And again, your comments on https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=77112.msg983428#msg983428

This is the doublethink that the right employs. They're not saying you can't get married!! They're just saying Marriage is between a man and a woman! uhh do I have to explain this to you? Really?

 

[user 37518]

Actually I'm not basing anything on his identity. Just the substance of what he's saying. I thought you guys weren't into that?

Well you said the same thing about the protesters and you considered it hate speech....

Also, Sam Harris is considered to be highly educated and intelligent, why don't you agree with him then?

 

[user 37518]

This is the doublethink that the right employs. They're not saying you can't get married!! They're just saying Marriage is between a man and a woman! uhh do I have to explain this to you? Really?

So, is that prohibited? should they be maced for that?

 

[ComodoComplex]

Well you said the same thing about the protesters and you considered it hate speech....

No I never mentioned the protesters' identities. I said the substance of what they are asking for is violent and hateful

 

[ComodoComplex]

So, is that prohibited? should they be maced for that?

No I don't think so, but I don't think the government should allot resources to protect them from the consequences of their actions

 

[user 37518]

No I never mentioned the protesters' identities. I said the substance of what they are asking for is violent and hateful

So you are saying, the guys promote what you believe to be violent and hatefult, thus a mob is allowed to phisically attack them

 

[ComodoComplex]

So you are saying, the guys promote what you believe to be violent and hatefult, thus a mob is allowed to phisically attack them

A mob is by definition something that is not controlled. Maybe they shouldn't go out and preach a hateful ideology and they wouldn't have to fear violent reprisal? Should the state really be tasked with creating a safe space for people to say whatever hateful thing they want free from consequences?

 

[user 37518]

Maybe they shouldn't go out and preach a hateful ideology and they wouldn't have to fear violent reprisal?

Hateful acording to you, not to me, thats my point, the left determines what is hateful speech, and they feel they have the right  to attack however they want against it. That is exactly the point of this thread.

 

[ComodoComplex]

Hateful acording to you, not to me, thats my point, the left determines what is hateful speech, and they feel they have the right  to attack however they want against it.

Was it the left that was attacking people there, or just people who felt attacked by the ideology? If that overlaps with the left, is that an indictment of the left as a whole?

If you believe that I don't deserve the same rights as you, and you go out in the street in an organized protest to demand that society codify that difference in law, yes I will feel attacked and yes I might fight back. And no that doesn't always take place in the mythological "marketplace of ideas". Personally I think people who advocate for hateful ideology shouldn't be free from consequences.

Really simply, this is just the tolerance paradox

 

[user 37518]

I wondered at which point you were going to mention the Nazis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#:~:text=Godwin's%20law%2C%20short%20for%20Godwin's,or%20Hitler%20becomes%20more%20likely.

So you tell me if I am right :

black lives matter - not hate speech, all lives matter - hate speech
pro choice -  not hate speech, pro life - hate speech

So basically everything that you don't agree with is hate speech, or what am I missing?

So according to Goodwin's law, we've reached the end of a civilized discussion, because it is being dampened.