We really need to start having a serious conversation about this....

[JohnRoberts]

This is such an awesome sentence. I feel it should be added to the Brewery byline.

Your suggestion has been noted but does not seem very respectful or appropriate.

This forum supports emoticons so we can know when you are joking (we can't read minds).

JR

 

[Matador]

does not seem very respectful or appropriate

There's ANOTHER ONE!

 

[cyrano]

What do you mean without a shred of evidence? You didn't read my post? I just showed you official documents of population control programs who have been investing billions (trillions by now) since the 1960s trying to control the world population. And you say, well the jury is still out? We really don't know...

The provided document isn't scientific. I's an indoctrination manual. As such, it is a burnt source. I can understand that you see a conspiracy. To me it seems "business as usual" for CIA, NSA and some of the other three letter agencies.

Why education is the main factor, is clear from UN and other research.

It's about a means to offer the countries that struggle with high birth rates what they need most. Education.

I had no idea what the US was doing in America, but it doesn't amaze me. The research I started from is open and has been done by people who care and know from their own experience how hard it can be helping another culture.

I couldn't see the US birth control affecting Africa much. So I called a few friends and they don't see it either. A few of them mentioned that US corporations buying hundreds of square kilometers of nature is a far bigger problem.

Now, you say education is one of the main contributors to reducing population, in a sense, you are right, but it is not education but indoctrination. Like I said, what the AID program states is what I believe are the causes of population reduction:

1) demographic and social data, 2) population policy, 3) fertility control research, 4) family planning services, 5) information, education, and communications systems, and 6) manpower and supportive institutions.

Combined with

making family planning information [there is your education] and the most effective and acceptable means of fertility control fully available to all persons of reproductive age in the developing world during the current decade.

That, in a nutshell is the reason of the declining population

Lemme see if I get that. In your mind, US indoctrination has a stronger effect than education?

Look, I showed you a graph of the population reduction in Mexico. There is a document from Henry Kissinger from the 70s saying that they should explicitly go into the developing world (Mexico mentioned by name) to reduce the population, and coincidentally, you can clearly see in the graph that after the 70s the population reduces from almost 7 children per woman to 1.90 today, and you say there is no correlation? All education? That I am speaking without a shred of evidence? Is that the same attitude you take for the supposedly climate catastrophe?

We come from different angles. Education has the widest positive side effects as solution for high birth rates. You can't compare with indoctrination, as it has no positive effects in the long run. It's morally broken.

Could the current homophobic wave in Africa be related?

 

[user 37518]

The provided document isn't scientific. I's an indoctrination manual. As such, it is a burnt source. I can understand that you see a conspiracy. To me it seems "business as usual" for CIA, NSA and some of the other three letter agencies.

Why education is the main factor, is clear from UN and other research.

It's about a means to offer the countries that struggle with high birth rates what they need most. Education.

I had no idea what the US was doing in America, but it doesn't amaze me. The research I started from is open and has been done by people who care and know from their own experience how hard it can be helping another culture.

I couldn't see the US birth control affecting Africa much. So I called a few friends and they don't see it either. A few of them mentioned that US corporations buying hundreds of square kilometers of nature is a far bigger problem.



Lemme see if I get that. In your mind, US indoctrination has a stronger effect than education?



We come from different angles. Education has the widest positive side effects as solution for high birth rates. You can't compare with indoctrination, as it has no positive effects in the long run. It's morally broken.

Could the current homophobic wave in Africa be related?

What does it matter if it is scientific or not, its a official government document describing the policy they conducted to reduce the population? What else you need? You seem to be fixated on Trump for no scientific reasons.

 

[user 37518]

Honestly, it seems you’re coming at it with an against personal birth control and abortion stance and those pushing for those options to be available to anyone in the world. So be it, but just state it plainly.

Haven't I said it enough? Seems like you are asking for "short sentences" for something I have been giving proof if you care to read.

 

[user 37518]

Lemme see if I get that. In your mind, US indoctrination has a stronger effect than education?

not just the USA, you seem to hate the US with a passion, I do not, but many of them in the US do indoctrinate. We could say the same about China, Germany, the UN, and many others.

We come from different angles. Education has the widest positive side effects as solution for high birth rates. You can't compare with indoctrination, as it has no positive effects in the long run. It's morally broken.

People are not more educated these days, or you and I have a different idea of what education is. It is clearly indoctrination, which, by your standards, has had negative effects in the long run in terms of fertility rate. Let me tell you why, that great "education" has reduced the fertility levels in Europe to a point so low below replacement rate, that now Europe is importing immigrants from other countries in hopes to keep the population levels at a more respectable level. I guess that those immigrants are less educated, and, somehow, Europe needs less educated people to compensate for all that educated people.

Could the current homophobic wave in Africa be related?

Africa is the least of the population problems, which is why they are targeting Africa for birth control. The current homophobic wave in Africa has nothing to do with the current fertility rate drops in the Western World.

 

[scott2000]

If any of that were true, why is the male's sperm count dropping in all western countries?

Maybe bc they're dropping in front of their computer monitors

 

[cyrano]

Maybe bc they're dropping in front of their computer monitors

That's been written before. However, there's no solid evidence. And not for lack of research.

 

[cyrano]

not just the USA, you seem to hate the US with a passion, I do not, but many of them in the US do indoctrinate. We could say the same about China, Germany, the UN, and many others.

I don't hate Americans, or the USA. I hate imperialism.

People are not more educated these days, or you and I have a different idea of what education is.

Well, the USA may be reducing education, but I can assure you education is going well all over the world. A simple, but useful metric is illiteracy. Still less and less people who can't read or write.

Of course, if you look at another metric, like the number of people getting a phd, or even the number graduating from high-school, you'll see a different picture. When it comes to slowing down birthrate, it's about basic education.

It is clearly indoctrination, which, by your standards, has had negative effects in the long run in terms of fertility rate. Let me tell you why, that great "education" has reduced the fertility levels in Europe to a point so low below replacement rate, that now Europe is importing immigrants from other countries in hopes to keep the population levels at a more respectable level. I guess that those immigrants are less educated, and, somehow, Europe needs less educated people to compensate for all that educated people.

I'm sorry, it wasn't me who unearthed that Kissinger report. I hadn't even heard about it. So thanks for delving it up.

I also can assure you the EU is not importing immigrants. They're coming on their own initiative. Their education level also varies a lot. There are engineers, MDs, lawyers and professors amongst them. The problem is they can't immediately work as their diploma's are not valid in the EU. It's not unusual to see an African MD working as a nurse because of that. We are importing medical staff, since there are less young people and less of those young people interested in a career in health care. The health care workers have done all they could during the pandemic and we need to get them help.

Africa is the least of the population problems, which is why they are targeting Africa for birth control. The current homophobic wave in Africa has nothing to do with the current fertility rate drops in the Western World.

That's not logical at all. Wouldn't you start where the problem hits the hardest?

What does it matter if it is scientific or not, its a official government document describing the policy they conducted to reduce the population? What else you need? You seem to be fixated on Trump for no scientific reasons.

I still have a hard time believing the US govt is so driven by imperialism. Even when I heard Marjorie Taylor Greene telling us the taliban hated gays even more than the republicans.

It would be nice to learn where the money went. To which countries and programs. Unless the entire thing is a scam. Apparently, republicans don't care, since the report came out under Nixon.

Trump is kind of the pinnacle of the American dream. The proof you don't need to be smart and beautiful to make it to the top. Haven't had one as amusing as him in like, forever. It's amazing how his fanbase keeps explaining the goofs away. But then they are not too bright either.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I don't hate Americans, or the USA. I hate imperialism.

We don't like imperialism either.

Well, the USA may be reducing education, but I can assure you education is going well all over the world. A simple, but useful metric is illiteracy. Still less and less people who can't read or write.

Poverty is falling around the world... I credit free trade and capitalism. Education must be paid for.

Of course, if you look at another metric, like the number of people getting a phd, or even the number graduating from high-school, you'll see a different picture. When it comes to slowing down birthrate, it's about basic education.

Or being convinced that we should

I'm sorry, it wasn't me who unearthed that Kissinger report. I hadn't even heard about it. So thanks for delving it up.

I also can assure you the EU is not importing immigrants. They're coming on their own initiative.

in 2022 Germany invited 1.1M immigrants. Germany still suffers a shortage of "skilled" workers. I would judge this from a distance.

Their education level also varies a lot. There are engineers, MDs, lawyers and professors amongst them. The problem is they can't immediately work as their diploma's are not valid in the EU. It's not unusual to see an African MD working as a nurse because of that. We are importing medical staff, since there are less young people and less of those young people interested in a career in health care. The health care workers have done all they could during the pandemic and we need to get them help.

of the 1.1M immigrants some 10k mastered the language well enough to enter college.

That's not logical at all. Wouldn't you start where the problem hits the hardest?

I'd start with defining an actual problem.

I still have a hard time believing the US govt is so driven by imperialism. Even when I heard Marjorie Taylor Greene telling us the taliban hated gays even more than the republicans.

The taliban are deplorable. MTG is a fringe right wing blowhard (I assume. I do not listen to her when I can avoid it).

It would be nice to learn where the money went. To which countries and programs. Unless the entire thing is a scam. Apparently, republicans don't care, since the report came out under Nixon.

Government is really bad at spending money with any sense of accountability. The old "OPM" other people's money theme applies. Bureaucrats don't care about waste and fraud as long as the money keeps coming.

Trump is kind of the pinnacle of the American dream. The proof you don't need to be smart and beautiful to make it to the top.

He was clearly an anti-politician. Many people think they are smart (even here).

Haven't had one as amusing as him in like, forever.

The Biden family is getting pretty amusing, looking like a bad soap opera with the son from hell. Hunter is reportedly considering starting a legal defense fund for his baby daddy and sundry other legal issues. Hunter goes into court in AR trying to get his child support payments reduced by claiming poverty, while being represented by high dollar DC lawyers.

It's amazing how his fanbase keeps explaining the goofs away. But then they are not too bright either.

I voted for Trump twice. Its hard to imagine anyone doing as bad as President Biden (Biden in making Jimmy Carter look good by comparison). I am not enthusiastic about another Biden/Trump election runoff. It seems like the people working the levers behind the scenes might like that because they think they can win again.

Its amazing how corrupt our government is. Even worse how corrupt media is, allowing government to get away with all their corruption.

JR

 

[user 37518]

That's not logical at all. Wouldn't you start where the problem hits the hardest?

Exactly, that is why they are spending so much to introduce abortion and birth control in Africa and the developing world.

AS for the rest of your objections, I think John has already covered it.

 

[Recording Engineer]

Exactly, that is why they are spending so much to introduce abortion and birth control in Africa and the developing world.

So your opinion is clear, exactly why are they?

 

[user 37518]

So your opinion is clear, exactly why are they?

To reduce the world population because they think there is too many people on Earth, and because it is extremely profitable (I once heard a statistic that there are more Planned Parenthood clinics than McDonalds in the world, but right now I am not too bothered to find out, either way, the amount of PP clinics in the world is staggering).

 

[cyrano]

Its amazing how corrupt our government is. Even worse how corrupt media is, allowing government to get away with all their corruption.

I can't disagree, John. But where does it all start?

My take is the big corporations are pulling the strings. Obviously, they include some form of media. Divide and conquer still seems to be the strategy.

 

[Matador]

I once heard a statistic that there are more Planned Parenthood clinics than McDonalds in the world, but right now I am not too bothered to find out, either way, the amount of PP clinics in the world is staggering

Percentage of all Planned Parenthood health services that are abortion services: 3

 

[cyrano]

To reduce the world population because they think there is too many people on Earth, and because it is extremely profitable (I once heard a statistic that there are more Planned Parenthood clinics than McDonalds in the world, but right now I am not too bothered to find out, either way, the amount of PP clinics in the world is staggering).

Hate to burst your bubble, but there are some 600 Planned Parenthood clinics in the USA. None outside of the USA.

McDo has 38.000 worldwide. Some 13.000 in the USA.

There is, however the IPPF:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Planned_Parenthood_Federation
Seems you're the only one to hate them...

 

[JohnRoberts]

I can't disagree, John. But where does it all start?

asked and answered... It starts with government growing too large... All that spending attracts corruption like flies to sh__ . Shrink big government and drain the swamp.

My take is the big corporations are pulling the strings. Obviously, they include some form of media. Divide and conquer still seems to be the strategy.

Big business (like big tech) is in bed with big government, there also appears to be an active deep state where the intelligence community works to accumulate even more power.
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Here is some old history that may not be studied over there... The FBI routinely spied on American citizens, public figures, legislators and government officials to gather dirt on them that can be leveraged to gain acquiescence. Perhaps search J Edgar Hoover's official and confidential (secret) files.
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This is a bit of speculation, but looking at the Epstein history it appears he was working in close concert with the intelligence community. How could his child sex trafficking operation (Lolita express and sex island) not be an intelligence asset designed to entrap international figures (like Prince Andrew) in a web of shame and obligation.... maybe not but the shoe fits?

JR

 

[user 37518]

Hate to burst your bubble, but there are some 600 Planned Parenthood clinics in the USA. None outside of the USA.

McDo has 38.000 worldwide. Some 13.000 in the USA.

There is, however the IPPF:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Planned_Parenthood_Federation
Seems you're the only one to hate them...

That is what I meant, the IPPF they are part of the same, as I said, I wasn't too bothered to look it up. By the way, now that you are looking things up, look up Margaret Sanger's (the founder of PP) views on eugenics and black people. Tell me again I am just being a conspiracy theorist. Here is a sneak peak from Wiki:

Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, which aimed to improve human hereditary traits through social intervention by reducing the reproduction of those who were considered unfit.

Also, I have already stated many times before that I hate abortion, I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by repeating over and over again what I have already said.

 

[cyrano]

I've read Sanger. On the surface, she looks like a Nazi. Below that surface, you need to understand the cold language scientists often use. Mathematically, she's often right. But you can't rule out people's feelings.

Thanks for confirming my personal pet peeve, John: when things grow too big, corruption sets in.

 

[cyrano]

That is what I meant, the IPPF they are part of the same, as I said, I wasn't too bothered to look it up. By the way, now that you are looking things up, look up Margaret Sanger's (the founder of PP) views on eugenics and black people. Tell me again I am just being a conspiracy theorist.

I never said that.

Unfortunately, the IPPF isn't running on US money. So it seems the UN, the EU and lots of other countries share the same worries about world population?

Shouldn't that at least tell you something?