COVID vaccins: the next problem?

[crazydoc]

PCR Ct is not pertinent to the point that myo/pericarditis has been a known adverse effect of mRNA covid vaccines for several years.

I'll leave the sealion here.

 

[fallout]

..and despite the knowing about the serious adverse effects 'for several years', millions were FORCED into receiving it.

I'll leave the sheep here.

 

[crazydoc]

 

[fallout]

 

[JohnRoberts]

Ah the wisdom of hindsight....

JR

 

[fallout]

Or the wisdom of being a skeptic.

 

[chrispbass]

No jabs here. Got treated like dirt by many, and there is still an echo of judgement by some people I know.

Oh well

 

[AnalogPackrat]

PCR Ct is not pertinent to the point that myo/pericarditis has been a known adverse effect of mRNA covid vaccines for several years.

I'll leave the sealion here.

It is pertinent to the "data" you attached regarding "cases" among the young adult population as part of your argument that that cohort had more myocarditis from Covid than from vaccines. What does the Yale paper include as "infection?" Simply a positive PCR test in 2020? Symptomatic cases? Hospitalizations? It matters. Do the math.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

 

[cyrano]

The YouTube censor machine is at it:



Maybe this was more for the thread on AI?

 

[AnalogPackrat]

I've watched an hour of this 4hr round table discussion. Interesting to say the least.

 

[57sputnik]

PCR Ct is not pertinent to the point that myo/pericarditis has been a known adverse effect of mRNA covid vaccines for several years.

I'll leave the sealion here.

Yes I've been reporting myo/pericarditis at least 10 times since 2021 here and in this forum since 2022: https://groupdiy.com/threads/the-covid-conspiracy-thread.82178/page-2#post-1065048 and you, crazydoc, called it, at the time, bullshit. So don't dishonestly act like you knew it all along. I was right and I'll say once again that the point is not to be right but to prevent the uniformed from allowing a militarized medical establishment from killing millions of innocent people. You, crazydoc, by minimizing, debasing and making fun of legitimate concerns are part of the problem. I don't think you're being honest or consistent.

The FDA knew of this in October 2020 in this ten frame (or so) flash in a public YouTube video. Most of you made fun of this video and suggested that I faked it or it was conspiracy theory bullshit. It wasn't and a great many of you look damn foolish now. https://www.proaudiodesignforum.com/forum/php/viewtopic.php?p=16528#p16528

And to our esteemed moderator:
When I posted a thumbnail featuring a Greg Reese video which used, in the video, an image of sheep you jumped in my sh*t.
You said something like "How dare you compare humans to sheep?"
Why the double-standard?

I am repeatedly attacked here for truth-telling so don't give me crap for calling out crazydoc and his ilk. I've been attacked by that clown far more than the times I've called out his bullshit.

 

[crazydoc]

Yes I've been reporting myo/pericarditis at least 10 times since 2021 here and in this forum since 2022: https://groupdiy.com/threads/the-covid-conspiracy-thread.82178/page-2#post-1065048 and you, crazydoc, called it, at the time, bullshit. So don't dishonestly act like you knew it all along. I was right and I'll say once again that the point is not to be right but to prevent the uniformed from allowing a militarized medical establishment from killing millions of innocent people. You, crazydoc, by minimizing, debasing and making fun of legitimate concerns are part of the problem. I don't think you're being honest or consistent.

Maybe you could point out to me where I called it (myocarditis/pericarditis specifically as an adverse reaction to mRNA vaccination) bullshit. Just because something is included in a "Draft working list of possible adverse event outcomes subject to change" doesn't mean that it is an adverse event until there is data to back it up.

 

[Tubetec]

Theres no doubt the Medicinal/Pharmaceutical stage show has the entire western world by its bollocks ,insecurities being manipulated and fedback via the handheld devices in a live auction ,

 

[Tubetec]

Easier to get caught up with blaming each other for the mess ,instead of cleaning it up ,

 

[cyrano]

If the vaccine hadn't been mandatory, it would have been far less effective, especially in countries with lots of believers/sceptics. These countries would be a significant risk to others.

It's a hard decision to make. There are known stats for the past, but not for the future. The stats told us the vaccines would cause the deaths of x citizens. The disease would kill y citizens. It's a gamble. Science told us y would be far greater than x. How much?

It's a hard decision to make and it's easy to criticise in hindsight.

What's even worse, is that we can't even be 100% sure it was the right decision. Still, stats tell us it was.

It's clear big pharma has made a bundle. That's capitalism at work. There's much nagging about it, especially from people who don't want the obvious solution, because they have been indoctrinated for a century that that solution is evil. Yet it works for a lot of other countries.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

If the vaccine hadn't been mandatory, it would have been far less effective, especially in countries with lots of believers/sceptics. These countries would be a significant risk to others.

Look at Africa for a fact check. The vaccines were leaky and did not prevent infection (and hence spread). They may well have driven increases mutation of the virus.

It's a hard decision to make. There are known stats for the past, but not for the future.

Obviously. But the actual efficacy from early testing was hidden prior to EUA being granted. It was not unknown. Also, by late 2020 into early 2021 we knew a lot about who was at risk and what the infection mortality rate was. It was 10% of what was "predicted" in March 2020.

The stats told us the vaccines would cause the deaths of x citizens.

The "models" induced fear by radically overestimating the risk.

The disease would kill y citizens. It's a gamble. Science told us y would be far greater than x.

Bad models not properly critiqued by peers are not science.

How much?

It's a hard decision to make and it's easy to criticise in hindsight.

It was easy to criticize in mid-2020 when it became obvious what was really happining. But fearmongering eliminated rational thought by most citizens.

What's even worse, is that we can't even be 100% sure it was the right decision. Still, stats tell us it was.

It clearly was not the right decision. That was apparent at the time.

It's clear big pharma has made a bundle.

Yes.

That's capitalism at work.

No, that's corruption and cronyism at work. Regulatory capture is real. We have laws to handle this and allegedly representative government to react to new problems. Neither worked.

There's much nagging about it, especially from people who don't want the obvious solution, because they have been indoctrinated for a century that that solution is evil.

What solution? Granting government or unelected authorities control over your life, your body? That is evil.

Yet it works for a lot of other countries.

But not for their oppressed people (China, NK, etc.).

I remember what happened. I remember what information was squashed/ridiculed/censored. I remember it all. Try to gaslight less. Terrible decisions were made that cost lives and livelihoods.

 

[cyrano]

Look at Africa for a fact check. The vaccines were leaky and did not prevent infection (and hence spread). They may well have driven increases mutation of the virus.

Different gene pool. Has disturbed stats before.

Obviously. But the actual efficacy from early testing was hidden prior to EUA being granted. It was not unknown. Also, by late 2020 into early 2021 we knew a lot about who was at risk and what the infection mortality rate was. It was 10% of what was "predicted" in March 2020.

Simply only true if you look at the worst case numbers. If you take the middle ground, the numbers are pretty close to the predictions.

The "models" induced fear by radically overestimating the risk.

Again, only true for the most outlying model.

Bad models not properly critiqued by peers are not science.

Oh, they were pretty much discussed by peer scientists in the field. It's the enormous mass of fear mongering, mainly from the USA that created the feeling that something was wrong.

It was easy to criticize in mid-2020 when it became obvious what was really happining. But fearmongering eliminated rational thought by most citizens.

Most citizens just followed a line they picked up somewhere. Most of these lines had nothing to do with science.

It clearly was not the right decision. That was apparent at the time.

There isn't a shred of scientific proof for what you keep blabbering about.

Yes.

Which, as a capitalist, you condone.

No, that's corruption and cronyism at work. Regulatory capture is real. We have laws to handle this and allegedly representative government to react to new problems. Neither worked.

Corruption seems to be an integral part of capitalism, especially in the US. Just look at your health care system.

What solution? Granting government or unelected authorities control over your life, your body? That is evil.

I'm afraid to use the word. It'll just set you off because you've been programmed to be deaf, dumb and blind. I'd say "take a look at other developed countries", but I fear you're even incapable of doing that.

But not for their oppressed people (China, NK, etc.).

Who said anything about China or North Korea? Again, you've been programmed to find the extreme cases. There is an entire world out there, you know.

I remember what happened. I remember what information was squashed/ridiculed/censored. I remember it all. Try to gaslight less. Terrible decisions were made that cost lives and livelihoods.

Such as?

 

[JohnRoberts]

Be nicer.... why must everything become personal?

JR

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Different gene pool. Has disturbed stats before.

Please. Try to be open-minded and not simply parrot back the narrative.

Simply only true if you look at the worst case numbers. If you take the middle ground, the numbers are pretty close to the predictions.

Initial "modeling" indicated 3% IFR.

Again, only true for the most outlying model.

You mean the only model used to guide the initial response including mass lock downs?

Oh, they were pretty much discussed by peer scientists in the field. It's the enormous mass of fear mongering, mainly from the USA that created the feeling that something was wrong.

What? Differing views were suppressed and censored. Many states in the US started opening back up late summer 2020. And how can (allegedly superior) European nations not decide for themselves, but somehow must follow the US? What about Australia and NZ, both of which went full tyrant?

Most citizens just followed a line they picked up somewhere. Most of these lines had nothing to do with science.

Not everyone was a sheep.

There isn't a shred of scientific proof for what you keep blabbering about.

There is. And economic evidence as well. The lies about the origin of Covid, efficacy of masking, efficacy and safety of vaccines, need for lock downs are all being revealed.

Which, as a capitalist, you condone.

Profits made without monopolistic control, regulatory capture, and corruption are fine. That's not what happened with Covid.

Corruption seems to be an integral part of capitalism, especially in the US. Just look at your health care system.

And there's no corruption in other economic systems? Corruption can and should be exposed and punished. It isn't integral to capitalism. We have plenty of problems to handle. So do the more socialist countries of Europe.

I'm afraid to use the word. It'll just set you off because you've been programmed to be deaf, dumb and blind. I'd say "take a look at other developed countries", but I fear you're even incapable of doing that.

I've been to some of them. Wouldn't want to live there. Tradeoffs can be made differently in different countries. Our sotuation is not like tiny Belgium or Luxembourg. One size fits all is not workable.

Who said anything about China or North Korea? Again, you've been programmed to find the extreme cases. There is an entire world out there, you know.

Pointing out where the slippery slope can lead. I guess you're also in favor of the new WHO treaty and all of that, too.

Such as?

Shuttering thousands of small businesses deemed "non-essential" by unelected bureaucrats and elected tyrants (e.g., Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, etc.). This caused immediate loss of employment for hundreds of thousands. Shuttering of schools for months to almost two years in some states which set children behind on both academic and social development. Some of those effects will be permanent. Vaccine mandates which decimated experienced military personnel here in the US. I could go on. None of this is unpriven or debatable.