crazydoc
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PCR Ct is not pertinent to the point that myo/pericarditis has been a known adverse effect of mRNA covid vaccines for several years.
I'll leave the sealion here.
I'll leave the sealion here.
It is pertinent to the "data" you attached regarding "cases" among the young adult population as part of your argument that that cohort had more myocarditis from Covid than from vaccines. What does the Yale paper include as "infection?" Simply a positive PCR test in 2020? Symptomatic cases? Hospitalizations? It matters. Do the math.PCR Ct is not pertinent to the point that myo/pericarditis has been a known adverse effect of mRNA covid vaccines for several years.
I'll leave the sealion here.
PCR Ct is not pertinent to the point that myo/pericarditis has been a known adverse effect of mRNA covid vaccines for several years.
I'll leave the sealion here.
Maybe you could point out to me where I called it (myocarditis/pericarditis specifically as an adverse reaction to mRNA vaccination) bullshit. Just because something is included in a "Draft working list of possible adverse event outcomes subject to change" doesn't mean that it is an adverse event until there is data to back it up.Yes I've been reporting myo/pericarditis at least 10 times since 2021 here and in this forum since 2022: https://groupdiy.com/threads/the-covid-conspiracy-thread.82178/page-2#post-1065048 and you, crazydoc, called it, at the time, bullshit. So don't dishonestly act like you knew it all along. I was right and I'll say once again that the point is not to be right but to prevent the uniformed from allowing a militarized medical establishment from killing millions of innocent people. You, crazydoc, by minimizing, debasing and making fun of legitimate concerns are part of the problem. I don't think you're being honest or consistent.
Look at Africa for a fact check. The vaccines were leaky and did not prevent infection (and hence spread). They may well have driven increases mutation of the virus.If the vaccine hadn't been mandatory, it would have been far less effective, especially in countries with lots of believers/sceptics. These countries would be a significant risk to others.
Obviously. But the actual efficacy from early testing was hidden prior to EUA being granted. It was not unknown. Also, by late 2020 into early 2021 we knew a lot about who was at risk and what the infection mortality rate was. It was 10% of what was "predicted" in March 2020.It's a hard decision to make. There are known stats for the past, but not for the future.
The "models" induced fear by radically overestimating the risk.The stats told us the vaccines would cause the deaths of x citizens.
Bad models not properly critiqued by peers are not science.The disease would kill y citizens. It's a gamble. Science told us y would be far greater than x.
It was easy to criticize in mid-2020 when it became obvious what was really happining. But fearmongering eliminated rational thought by most citizens.How much?
It's a hard decision to make and it's easy to criticise in hindsight.
It clearly was not the right decision. That was apparent at the time.What's even worse, is that we can't even be 100% sure it was the right decision. Still, stats tell us it was.
Yes.It's clear big pharma has made a bundle.
No, that's corruption and cronyism at work. Regulatory capture is real. We have laws to handle this and allegedly representative government to react to new problems. Neither worked.That's capitalism at work.
What solution? Granting government or unelected authorities control over your life, your body? That is evil.There's much nagging about it, especially from people who don't want the obvious solution, because they have been indoctrinated for a century that that solution is evil.
But not for their oppressed people (China, NK, etc.).Yet it works for a lot of other countries.
Look at Africa for a fact check. The vaccines were leaky and did not prevent infection (and hence spread). They may well have driven increases mutation of the virus.
Obviously. But the actual efficacy from early testing was hidden prior to EUA being granted. It was not unknown. Also, by late 2020 into early 2021 we knew a lot about who was at risk and what the infection mortality rate was. It was 10% of what was "predicted" in March 2020.
The "models" induced fear by radically overestimating the risk.
Bad models not properly critiqued by peers are not science.
It was easy to criticize in mid-2020 when it became obvious what was really happining. But fearmongering eliminated rational thought by most citizens.
It clearly was not the right decision. That was apparent at the time.
Yes.
No, that's corruption and cronyism at work. Regulatory capture is real. We have laws to handle this and allegedly representative government to react to new problems. Neither worked.
What solution? Granting government or unelected authorities control over your life, your body? That is evil.
But not for their oppressed people (China, NK, etc.).
I remember what happened. I remember what information was squashed/ridiculed/censored. I remember it all. Try to gaslight less. Terrible decisions were made that cost lives and livelihoods.
Please. Try to be open-minded and not simply parrot back the narrative.Different gene pool. Has disturbed stats before.
Initial "modeling" indicated 3% IFR.Simply only true if you look at the worst case numbers. If you take the middle ground, the numbers are pretty close to the predictions.
You mean the only model used to guide the initial response including mass lock downs?Again, only true for the most outlying model.
What? Differing views were suppressed and censored. Many states in the US started opening back up late summer 2020. And how can (allegedly superior) European nations not decide for themselves, but somehow must follow the US? What about Australia and NZ, both of which went full tyrant?Oh, they were pretty much discussed by peer scientists in the field. It's the enormous mass of fear mongering, mainly from the USA that created the feeling that something was wrong.
Most citizens just followed a line they picked up somewhere. Most of these lines had nothing to do with science.
There is. And economic evidence as well. The lies about the origin of Covid, efficacy of masking, efficacy and safety of vaccines, need for lock downs are all being revealed.There isn't a shred of scientific proof for what you keep blabbering about.
Profits made without monopolistic control, regulatory capture, and corruption are fine. That's not what happened with Covid.Which, as a capitalist, you condone.
And there's no corruption in other economic systems? Corruption can and should be exposed and punished. It isn't integral to capitalism. We have plenty of problems to handle. So do the more socialist countries of Europe.Corruption seems to be an integral part of capitalism, especially in the US. Just look at your health care system.
I've been to some of them. Wouldn't want to live there. Tradeoffs can be made differently in different countries. Our sotuation is not like tiny Belgium or Luxembourg. One size fits all is not workable.I'm afraid to use the word. It'll just set you off because you've been programmed to be deaf, dumb and blind. I'd say "take a look at other developed countries", but I fear you're even incapable of doing that.
Pointing out where the slippery slope can lead. I guess you're also in favor of the new WHO treaty and all of that, too.Who said anything about China or North Korea? Again, you've been programmed to find the extreme cases. There is an entire world out there, you know.
Shuttering thousands of small businesses deemed "non-essential" by unelected bureaucrats and elected tyrants (e.g., Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, etc.). This caused immediate loss of employment for hundreds of thousands. Shuttering of schools for months to almost two years in some states which set children behind on both academic and social development. Some of those effects will be permanent. Vaccine mandates which decimated experienced military personnel here in the US. I could go on. None of this is unpriven or debatable.Such as?
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