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You're just trying to deflect, and you got snapped back to the topic. .:
Donald trump. what is your take on him?
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And Limp Bizkit.
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When you're right, you're right.
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Just two simple questions ,
Has there ever been a US president who's home state didn't vote him in before ?
Sounds implausible to me that a person who cant even garner enough support on home turf gets the top job .
Having said that we have a taoiseach (prime minister) who lost the majority of his own political parties support in the race for the leadership campaign ,never mind getting a mandate from the public. Can we(western {so-called}civilization) really justify the destruction of other cultures in the name of democracy if this is the case?
Has there ever been a US president who's home state didn't vote him in before ?
Sounds implausible to me that a person who cant even garner enough support on home turf gets the top job .
Having said that we have a taoiseach (prime minister) who lost the majority of his own political parties support in the race for the leadership campaign ,never mind getting a mandate from the public. Can we(western {so-called}civilization) really justify the destruction of other cultures in the name of democracy if this is the case?
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- Good morning all. With Labor Day just a few days away, we're going to highlight some strikes & labor struggles throughout American history.
The 1912 Lawrence textile strike in Massachusetts. 3 dead, 296 arrested fighting for the 54-hour work week. 20,000 workers went on strike. -
https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/903602967156314113
Dictatorship of the teen.
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The 1912 Lawrence textile strike in Massachusetts. 3 dead, 296 arrested fighting for the 54-hour work week. 20,000 workers went on strike. -
https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/903602967156314113
Dictatorship of the teen.
https://twitter.com/BU_YDSA/status/903258450976759808
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Geesh, Obama claimed to be for the working man, then waited almost 100 years before even acknowledging these strikes and failing to address them!tands said:
Thanks Obama!
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Oh yeah, dude's comfortable shoes got a real workout the last 8 years. :
It seemed to me worth remembering the people who went on strike for a 54 hour work week. 20,000 of them no less. Not some random poser...?
It seemed to me worth remembering the people who went on strike for a 54 hour work week. 20,000 of them no less. Not some random poser...?
With the subject of immigration in the headlines in relation to the DACA ,I thought it worthwhile to make a few comments on the subject.
Surely people dont simply walk away from family and the life they know ,and make dangerous journeys across borders, risking human trafficking, slavery and death without good reason.
As we've seen in the case of south American countries, persistant interference has led to disintegration and conditions that make emigration the only option for many . Don't get me wrong Im not singling out the good ole US in this regard ,as here in Europe we've been doing the exact same thing for centuries .
What springs to mind though is 'The Prime Directive' from Star Trek, in other words, have we any business interfering in another countries politics ,without taking responsibility for the displaced people who flee persecution when things fall apart . Ive seen a few comments in here in relation to 'humanitarian' motives and nation building being used as a justification for the arming of paramilitary groups against unfavourable regimes. Rather than naming names and getting personal ,which only serves to drive the wedge in deeper and polarize the discussion , probably better just to stick with the generalities .
Surely people dont simply walk away from family and the life they know ,and make dangerous journeys across borders, risking human trafficking, slavery and death without good reason.
As we've seen in the case of south American countries, persistant interference has led to disintegration and conditions that make emigration the only option for many . Don't get me wrong Im not singling out the good ole US in this regard ,as here in Europe we've been doing the exact same thing for centuries .
What springs to mind though is 'The Prime Directive' from Star Trek, in other words, have we any business interfering in another countries politics ,without taking responsibility for the displaced people who flee persecution when things fall apart . Ive seen a few comments in here in relation to 'humanitarian' motives and nation building being used as a justification for the arming of paramilitary groups against unfavourable regimes. Rather than naming names and getting personal ,which only serves to drive the wedge in deeper and polarize the discussion , probably better just to stick with the generalities .
Check out the Monroe Doctrine of 1823.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood that the DACA was to give immunity to the children of illegal immigrants, not quite the same thing as trafficking, refugees etc.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood that the DACA was to give immunity to the children of illegal immigrants, not quite the same thing as trafficking, refugees etc.
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Yes,,, history...DaveP said:
DACA was an executive order issued by President Obama (after he lost the congress) that is considered unconstitutional and being challenged by several state attorney generals. President Trump reversing the XO moots the judicial review that they were likely to lose and would terminate the program immediately and kicks it back to congress with a 6 month gradual phase out to fix with legislation, like they should have done already.
The elephant in the room about immigration is that neither party wants to change the status quo. The right appreciates the cheap undocumented labor, the left appreciates the potential hispanic voters. So both parties are willing to look the other way and kick this down the road (typical for congress).
It is already illegal to hire undocumented workers but the last time congress reformed immigration (with a fat juicy amnesty) they neglected to fund enforcement of the laws so illegal immigration continued unchecked, as immigrants expect another amnesty. Pres Trumps harsher messaging has discouraged illegal immigration, but congress needs to do their job and properly reform the system with new legislation.
The "Dreamers" (innocent children of illegal immigrants) are just one unintended consequence of the congress's lack of follow through after the last reform legislation. This now becomes an emotional hot button issue dominating the underlying legal/constitutional issue. I don't know that Pres Trump had much choice with judicial reviews pending , but kicking this back to congress right now with a 6 month deadline, when they already have a full plate does not make me optimistic about a timely solution for several pending matters.
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Interesting article ,thanks Dave,
Gives some insight into the complexities between the various European powers and the US in the lead up to the civil war and beyond.
Hi John,
I guess another factor that comes into play both sides of the Atlantic is without net inward migration the population would start to shrink . The fact that through our own success ,we may unwittingly be the architects of our own 'final solution' seems to be a hinge point issue that the politicians on all sides seem to be burying their heads in the sand about .
Makes me think that politics, in one sense, is no more than a carefully crafted diversion or sideshow to keep us chomping at the bit ,meanwhile the power players operate in the shadows irrespective of borders, flags or ethnic divides.
I have to say I found the North Korean foreign ministers 'Gift Packages' speech both funny and ironic,coming right after Donald offering to sell ten's or hundreds of billions in arms to South Korea and Japan.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply,
Gives some insight into the complexities between the various European powers and the US in the lead up to the civil war and beyond.
Hi John,
I guess another factor that comes into play both sides of the Atlantic is without net inward migration the population would start to shrink . The fact that through our own success ,we may unwittingly be the architects of our own 'final solution' seems to be a hinge point issue that the politicians on all sides seem to be burying their heads in the sand about .
Makes me think that politics, in one sense, is no more than a carefully crafted diversion or sideshow to keep us chomping at the bit ,meanwhile the power players operate in the shadows irrespective of borders, flags or ethnic divides.
I have to say I found the North Korean foreign ministers 'Gift Packages' speech both funny and ironic,coming right after Donald offering to sell ten's or hundreds of billions in arms to South Korea and Japan.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply,
This is at the heart of "Prison Break" on Netflix
Religion is no longer the opium of the masses, consumerism has taken over that slot.
We are all kept busy raising families and paying mortgages while others decide our fate.
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Antifa in pre WWII Britain, interesting thread. I thought Dave might like it.
https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/904378988642041858
https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/904378988642041858
Yes, it's an interesting read.
The east end of London, where my parents lived, had a lot of Jews who fled from Russian and eastern European pogroms from several decades earlier. They made very good suits I'm told. (a nice bit of schmutter)
There were no "professional" Antifa at that time, there was a spontaneous uprising of ordinary people against Mosley and his traitorous thugs. That is the difference with today.
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The east end of London, where my parents lived, had a lot of Jews who fled from Russian and eastern European pogroms from several decades earlier. They made very good suits I'm told. (a nice bit of schmutter)
There were no "professional" Antifa at that time, there was a spontaneous uprising of ordinary people against Mosley and his traitorous thugs. That is the difference with today.
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I am always willing to be schooled 8)Gold said:
Pres Reagan XO 12324 was about interdiction of illegal immigrants at sea. XO12341 was about Cuban and Haitian entrants (again by sea).
or are you thinking about legislation passed by congress in 1986 (Simpson-Mazzoli act) and signed by pres Reagan, that granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants...?
AFAIK President Reagan did it constitutionally with legislation. But as I already offered this amnesty without funding follow up enforcement did not stop the parade of illegal immigration across our porous border with millions more hoping to get in line for the next round of amnesty. :
If he did some other XO about immigration please share the XO number, I couldn't find it using google. I scanned the list of all his XO and another one about immigration did not jump out.
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Antifas are pretty 'ordinary' people, Dave, except for the Nazi punching. The first thing I bet those Brits did was organize in groups.
It's important I think to distinquish the Antifa and the black bloc. Antifas are antifascists, but black bloc is a tactic. Antifas walk around like everybody else when they're not using the black bloc tactic.
http://www.ainfos.ca/01/jun/ainfos00170.html
It also occured to me, the Blood and Soil types have had a rough month. Trump's announcement of this DACA thing now might be intended as a message of support to them, that even if they get their asses kicked in the streets, and people hate them for killing Heather Heyer and being Nazis, he's got their backs (like the police do). Even if not, they'll certainly read it that way. Cheers.
https://twitter.com/kadybat/status/905222313481715712
It's important I think to distinquish the Antifa and the black bloc. Antifas are antifascists, but black bloc is a tactic. Antifas walk around like everybody else when they're not using the black bloc tactic.
http://www.ainfos.ca/01/jun/ainfos00170.html
It also occured to me, the Blood and Soil types have had a rough month. Trump's announcement of this DACA thing now might be intended as a message of support to them, that even if they get their asses kicked in the streets, and people hate them for killing Heather Heyer and being Nazis, he's got their backs (like the police do). Even if not, they'll certainly read it that way. Cheers.
https://twitter.com/kadybat/status/905222313481715712
Seriously ?? who is President Trump messaging by cutting a deal with the democrats in congress... But as I have said before he is not a typical elite politician and not a hard core republican.
BTW the chronic debt limit fights are pure political theater with the party out of power trying to embarrass the party in power. it is arguing about money that has already been authorized and already spent, save any debate for actual spending decisions (like budgets).
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PS: The good guys don't wear masks (except for fictional characters like the lone ranger and batman).
BTW the chronic debt limit fights are pure political theater with the party out of power trying to embarrass the party in power. it is arguing about money that has already been authorized and already spent, save any debate for actual spending decisions (like budgets).
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PS: The good guys don't wear masks (except for fictional characters like the lone ranger and batman).
