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The Hamas and PIJ commanders have no doubt checked out of the Gaza hospital in response to the IDF calls to evacuate, and IDF advances onto the hospital grounds.
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Wait for, soon we will get fake news reports saying that Hamas was never there. :rolleyes:

Hopefully this signals that the worst of the fighting is almost over, but still unclear who will manage the area after IDF is finished (PA...Abbas ?).

JR

The media offensive already started.

In absence of any real proof of Hamas presence at the hospital, an old "reliable source" was found that stated Hamas had torture rooms at the hospital. Of course, the "source" from years ago wants to remain anonymous. In serious journalism, one anonymous source is no source.

Seems logic, if you want the party under torture not to die. Even Guantanamo Bay has a medical facility, doctors and nurses. Although they might have run out of medical staff, since several stated having nightmares and suffering from PTSD after serving at the US army torture facility.

Of course, there's the "testimony" of the one IDF soldier who tried to read an almanac and supposed these ware Arab names of Hamas operationals. As if Hamas would post the names of their members on the wall...

And, yes, a few weapons and some ammo was found. Not enough to get the average NRA member excited, though. And not so bizarre in a hospital where Hamas fighters were treated, just like anyone else.
 
US intelligence gathering reportedly intercepted conversations between Hamas fighters that originated inside the hospital. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/14/politics/white-house-hamas-al-shifa/index.html

I saw pictures of the small weapons cache and it included grenades and bomb vests. I am more interested in reports that they found evidence of the hostages being there, but perhaps they just brought them in for a check up.

Hiding the Hamas command center under the hospital is a war crime. The rules of war provide hospitals a wide berth

JR
 
They found a dozen weapons, one radio, a laptop and a few vests...

Hardly "evidence" for a hospital where thousands of people are around. The laptop had the picture of a female IDF soldier on the screen. Why would Hamas put that on a laptop they used for war? Doesn't add up.

Besides, this YT channel has put the pieces together:

 
And now, Osama comes back from the dead...

Osama Bin Ladin's "Letter to America" went viral. The fools at "The Guardian", who published this document in 2002, deleted it from their website after it went viral on TikTok. Someone immediately put pressure on TikTok to remove not only vids about the letter, but even the hashtags. Were they really thinking this would go unnoticed? And what about the much rumored freedom of speech?

The result is that hundreds, if not thousands of young American vloggers talk about it. And most are sick of the war on terror. They suddenly realise how their country has been treating the Middle-East. That's not a nice picture.

The world is turning fast on Israel.

Chinese diplomacy has brought Saudi-Arabia and Iran closer to one another. SA has announced there can be no solution without a Palestinian state. Illegal settlements must go. They're also attacking the Houthi's in Yemen while the world's eyes are on Palestine and their reason for attack is that the rebels fired rockets at Israel.

Several South-American countries have recalled their ambassadors and their diplomatic staff from Israel.

Ireland's Sinn Fein embraces the Palestines. The Guardian is trying to sell that as it would make Ireland to an outsider in the EU. I don't know if the Guardian's reporters have been to busy deleting documents to notice the rest of Europe isn't exactly positive about Israel either. As of now, nobody criticises Sinn Fein for their choice.

Meanwhile, the US is building it's second army base in Iraq. Next to Iraq's oil fields. Not by coincidence. They'll probably try to sell it as "that's where the terrorists are". And let's not forget another US base at Al-Tanf, in the occupied Homf province in Syria. Or the five US military bases in Saudi-Arabia...
 
And most are sick of the war on terror.
Yes. One caveat though. By expressing their discontent and indiscriminately using phrases like "river to sea", "Zionist fascism" etc, they indirectly give more momentum to a kind of radical Islamism that has nothing but disdain for the way "we" live -- ultimately torpedoing the very freedom that allows "us" to express "our" discontent in the first place...
Illegal settlements must go
If you are talking about illegal settlements in the West Bank only here, I fully agree. This has been tolerated for way too long.

BTW, I don't think that Netanyahu has a long political future ahead of himself -- which would be for the best
 
You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs...

I mean, how many agreements between Israel and some Palestine representative (formerly PLO, now Hamas), ratified by UN have been ignored by zionists in Israel?

It seems Palestinians are naive if they expect Israel to stand by it's word.

Of course, the plot of energy (the gas fields on the Palestinian coast) seems very likely. A lot of the blame goes to US "influences". Not even the oil industry, as these have been turned away from Israel.

Israeli officials seem to think "nuclear harvesting" is an option, since part of Gaza is sparsely populated.

Besides, I don't see why Palestinians and their supporters should mind their words, seeing what Israeli (and other) politicians have been saying...

It is fascism in it's purest form if you think your genes are better than anyone else's. Add to that some "promised land" nationalism and you get the same cocktail as the nazis.
 
Omlet -- curious choice of metaphor. Tastes bland without seasoning, while too much salt makes it inedible.
 
The public relations war seems to be shaping up as ignoring Hamas, and reframing the situation purely as blaming Israel for the suffering of the Palestinian people. Arguably Hamas is responsible for the current suffering but as the memory of Oct 7 fades, the daily visuals coming from Gaza will have an anti-Israel impact.

JR
 
Honest question: do you think, IDF can do whatever they want, Hamas is and stays responsible for it?
From my POV the threshold of proportionality, even with appreciation of the special position Israel is in, has long been overstepped...
The public relations war seems to be shaping up as ignoring Hamas, and reframing the situation purely as blaming Israel for the suffering of the Palestinian people. Arguably Hamas is responsible for the current suffering but as the memory of Oct 7 fades, the daily visuals coming from Gaza will have an anti-Israel impact.

JR
 
Honest question: do you think, IDF can do whatever they want, Hamas is and stays responsible for it?
The IDF is following international norms for legal warfare. Hamas continues to break the rules.
From my POV the threshold of proportionality, even with appreciation of the special position Israel is in, has long been overstepped...
IMO there is no equivalency between what the IDF is doing now, and the evil Oct 7, terrorist attack that targeted innocent civilians. Israel is still operating to insure security against future attacks from Hamas and PIJ.

JR

PS: Speaking of genocide China has reportedly arrested and held over 1M uighurs in internment camps.
 
The IDF is following international norms for legal warfare.
Well, this is the line Biden is holding and I think it would be an extremely friendly interpretation to say that this is disputed.

It includes literally believing doubtful statements from the IDF (which say film material is uncut, which is clearly cut, e.g., and taken down without notice in the meantime, or the pathetic footage about the alRantisi hospital and many more, {btw. did you know the tunnel system under the alShifa hospital was built by Israel in 1983?}. I would think, if the IDF had found something they would show it clearly?). Apart from some ragtag soldier´s things...

Other than that, it would simply be an attack on a civilian hospital, which is definitely breaking any rules of legal warfare, even if there would be a couple of Hamas fighters inside, e.g. for treatment.

And this is just one out of many very severe question marks. And don´t tell me, you´re that naive.
 
Israel has literally broken every agreement ever reached by US or UN diplomacy...

Hamas (and before them PLO) aren't wussies either, but the main point is and always has been that the Palestinians want their own country, not some open air prison, run by the IDF.

Also, it's a situation that's completely out of balance. Israel and the IDF have plenty of gear, the other side is improvising at best. Palestinians are spread out over refugee camps in Lebanon, Gaza and the west bank. There are no jews in refugee camps.

Over the years, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been killed. Not always by the IDF, but it should be clear that what happened in Sabra and Shatila camps was plotted by the IDF. They just let christian militia do their dirty work: over 3000 people killed. These were not armed fighters. Just average people, kids, women, old people mostly since the young men were either in some militia or trying to make a buck elsewhere.
 
Our leader had little choice but to reflect the will of the people on this one ,
he's playing to the populace ,because he knows if he gets this wrong Sinn Féin are in the driving seat after the next election ,
to misjudge the will of the people badly , Collins got the bullet for that ,but it was Dev who pulled the trigger on a man who would have overshadowed him by a mile .

Europe is shouting louder and louder about the Palestinian cause , Von Der Leighens resignation should be on the table for her outburst .
 
Palestinians want their own country, not some open air prison,
Which they already had at some point... but as long as 'river to sea' is the goal [edit] among some[/edit] on either side...
 
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Damn, failed upwards , that just doesnt sound like the German way at all .

I remember back to my school days some thirty odd years back ,
there was a point in time a PLO scarf was de-rigeur for the kids in their mid to late teens ,
I think it echoed our own struggle against British rule here ,
it was more a middle class thing than something you'd see in the working class neighbourhoods ,
Weve obviously moved away from the bad old days here , but support for the Palestinians is still very strong , the same missmatch in terms of fire power existed between the British army and the Irish forces 100 or so years ago , we ended up taking British guns and using them back against them and winning back the 26 counties ,then a civil was ensued between pro and anti treaty sides , unfortunately Michael Collins was ambushed and shot dead in his home county and we ended up with Devalera as top man .
 
Anyone with a shred of humanity should feel empathy for innocent Palestinian and Israeli children being harmed. Likewise it is easy to criticize Palestinian and Israeli adults harming each other. Sadly the adults have been taught to hate and/or distrust each other since they were innocent children. These decades of emotional programming cannot be reversed quickly or easily.

This conflict is painful to watch, but much worse for those living it.

JR
 
The same could be said of people across any political divide , hate and distrust is engineered in from the ground up . Both sides are forced to toe their respective lines and never cross the divide . Sectarianism in the North of Ireland is very much the same , luckily nowadays the more serious violence has ceased ,but people still very much keep to their own .
 
Another video that went viral: Israel's award-winning journalist Gideon Levy's speech. Mind you, it's not new. It's from years ago, but still very relevant.

 
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