Need to give the heads up to those shouting fire for eternity on the streets and tv....
I'm not talking about Alex Jones at all. Ricardus built that strawman in his response. You said "It is not a free speech thing to yell fire in a crowd without a fire!" which is patently ridiculous. Own it.
So. Is he still on air?
My logic is not necessarily liberal or conservative. Regardless, I’m not seeing the logic in the question. So far it seems pretty strange. Feel free to expand.
But I WAS talking about Alex Jones and you replied to me when I did. My whole point with him when I said that is: He cannot saying anything he wants without consequences because of “free speech”. His civil prosecution is an example of that.
Your logic is broken. I never said anything about there being no consequences. And just because you insist on talking about Mr. Jones does not mean my response was specifically about him.
Threats have been discussed multiple times in this thread. Feel free to continue beating that dead horse.
What are you talking about? Look from #337-on. Our recent exchanges about free speech started from your reply to me commenting on the whole Alex Jones saga is NOT a free speech issue. Stop trying to make things look different from how they truly unfolded. It’s all right here.
Why did you engage me in the first place if you look down on me so much?
I no longer follow what you're trying to say. I could care less if it's Alex Jones or anyone else. They should be allowed to speak on equal terms. That's how we shine a light on bad ideas--by discussing and arguing in the crucible open, publuc discourse.
What allegedly better alternative do you propose that has not already failed in much worse ways?
Oh, please. Conflating an autocratic authoritarian regime with control over the press to a free society with freedom of speech and the press is patently ludicrous.
Opinions vary on the identities of said fools and what constitutes "disinformation." Inquisitive discourse includes dissent and disagreement. You can't have progress without it.
Nothing human is perfect. What alternative scheme do you imagine being better? Secret committee meetings to label disinformation? How do you think such things have worked out in human history? Whether you can admit it or not, the Liberties you have enjoyed here in the USA have benefited you and everyone else far more than they have caused harm. No better system has been found that does not have worse consequences.
I'll take what we have now (or what Twitter was pre-Musk) over your ideas.
And why not? How is the nonsense spouted by Trump, or the imperious and erratic behavior of Musk, such a great improvement over Putin? And on a smaller scale we've seen right here the havoc that can be wreaked by bombastic, nonsense-spewing fanatics. Meaningful discourse gets derailed by petty minutiae, as well as the persistent need to debunk the fairy tales being told by the perpetrators. The American right has made a pronounced move toward fascism and white supremacy--sometimes very openly. I see no reason not to equate DeSantis's "where woke comes to die" with Putin's anti-LGBTQ policies--the main difference is that the American right is just starting to get serious about fascism.
So very, very many schemes. There is no doubt in my mind that a so-called "libertarian" state is a recipe for oppression and extreme wealth inequality. All the supposed ideals of the philosophy get trampled under human greed and hypocrisy. I'd take any European social democracy over anything "libertarian." Canada would be fine too.
"Volksverhetzung" in Germany seems to work pretty well in practice (although I would like to hear more from our German posters with more experience).
Ignore the bright shiny distractions...You mean ignore the Twitter dumps? Probably an excellent idea.
So you're all-in on centralized authoritarianism. Thanks for confirming that you don't buy in to the individual liberty/personal accountability dual that our nation was founded upon.
If you don't get it after the past few years you never will.
Really? You're going to equate an actual authoritarian regime with one built on checks and balances? Or close (and secret) cooperation of government and industry to control speech (a.k.a. actual Fascism) with a guy who reveals it to all of us?
Don't like it? Don't read it.
Most "debunking" is just repeating a differently bad view of reality manufactured by another group with a different and bad agenda.
Pure fantasy. Who wants government to control the Constitutionally protected speech and actions of others (often with the help of private industry)? Who wanted to take rights from people who refused to comply with vaccine mandates?
We don't have a libertarian state. Far from it.
I'll buy your ticket.
I know the cognitive dissonance hurts, but if you'd pay attention you might experience a revelation.
TDS is real.
