We really need to start having a serious conversation about this....

[soliloqueen]

i am genuinely curious to hear from him how the covid vaccine can increase things like car accidents, falling off of ladders, etc. i'm not even being mean-spirited. dormant toxoplasma cysts can cause increases in risky behavior and stuff, so i'm pretty curious what he thinks is going on. i don't think it's true, but it's something i would enjoy hearing him talk about if he's interested. there are a few reasons why i don't think this is what's going on, but i enjoy hearing people talk about what they're passionate about, and his opinion is unusual.

 

[Matador]

i am genuinely curious to hear from him how the covid vaccine can increase things like car accidents, falling off of ladders, etc.

If you are really interested, you can read the bat-shittery on the Pro Audio Design Forum. I suggest making sure you are up on your tetanus, MMR, and tDAP boosters before diving in.

 

[soliloqueen]

If you are really interested, you can read the bat-shittery on the Pro Audio Design Forum. I suggest making sure you are up on your tetanus, MMR, and tDAP boosters before diving in.

i've even had my rabies series!

 

[crazydoc]

And yet, here you are, continuing a conversation about not wanting to continue a conversation, and attacking others.

Sorry - it was more than I could bear.

However your conclusion seems more rooted in your own sincerely held beliefs than anything else, so not much point in debating it further.

Well put.

 

[user 37518]

I can't speak for soliloqueen, but I think the objection was your equating birth control to abortion, and that both were things foisted onto an unknowing population by "elites" who are bent on suppressing the world's populations. And she was rebutting by demonstrating that birth control and abortion aren't the same thing: they aren't "poisons spread into the water supply" onto people whom aren't given a choice otherwise. By contrast, mutilation at birth is a choice that's taken away from a person, and more fits your definition than any of the examples you provided.

However your conclusion seems more rooted in your own sincerely held beliefs than anything else, so not much point in debating it further.

Yes, soliloqueen modified my words because I didn't equate contraceptives with abortion , I talked about contraceptives and abortion, both together, soliloqueen twisted my words, and started talking about genital mutilation and circumsicion

 

[soliloqueen]

Yes, soliloqueen modified my words because I didn't equate contraceptives with abortion , I talked about contraceptives and abortion, both together, soliloqueen twisted my words, and started talking about genital mutilation and circumsicion

i didn't say the two were equivalent, matador got that part wrong. if you don't understand the difference between being forced to do something and not being forced to do something, i don't really know how to explain that, sorry. i feel like i've failed to express my point, and i apologize for that. for one final time: there is a fundamental difference between being in material danger, having something like that forced on you and people choosing to take birth control. you can't just refer to something that's not forceful and unwilling as killing in a population sense. words mean things. material reality exists, you know? i struggle when people trivialize these words by applying them to situations where they aren't literally true i guess. i'm really sorry.

 

[user 37518]

I can't speak for soliloqueen, but I think the objection was your equating birth control to abortion, and that both were things foisted onto an unknowing population by "elites" who are bent on suppressing the world's populations.

right, exactly

I reply back, and now you say:

i didn't say the two were equivalent, matador got that part wrong.

You contradict yourself so often, that its pointless to keep this whole thing going on any further.

 

[boji]

covid vaccine can increase things like car accidents

Consider the strange effect of toxoplasmosis, which purportedly suppresses threat mitigation in humans.
Which is to say, in all likelihood, we don't yet fully know how sensitive we are to prokaryotes and their undead brethren. Do we have a thorough taxonomic grasp on which viral and bacterial strains unconsciously modify human behavior?
Who knows what might play out over time by giving the world a 'one-phenotype-fits-all' mRNA protein instruction, meant to trigger immune defenses against what might also have been a patchwork quilt of viral tinkering.

Seems like common sense to be suspicious of those orchestrating such things, if only by the amount of hubris played out across history, during technologically transformative eras of the past.

 

[Ó Draighnáin]

Consider the strange effect of toxoplasmosis, which purportedly suppresses threat mitigation in humans.
Which is to say, in all likelihood, we don't yet fully know how sensitive we are to prokaryotes and their undead brethren. Do we have a thorough taxonomic grasp on which viral and bacterial strains unconsciously modify human behavior?
Who knows what might play out over time by giving the world a 'one-phenotype-fits-all' mRNA protein instruction, meant to trigger immune defenses against what might also have been a patchwork quilt of viral tinkering.

Seems like common sense to be suspicious of those orchestrating such things, if only by the amount of hubris played out across history, during technologically transformative eras of the past.

Changes in a system have can a ripple effect, which may amplify, or not. That is the beauty of non-linear highly coupled systems. We don't really get the systems constraints (and their plasticity) to begin with.

Beware the law of unintended consequences. The best part for those culpable is that they can just say "sorry", "my bad", "I didn't realise that would happen", "you understand don't you?"

I fear the time for implicitly trusting the once noble pursuit of science (which is becoming "sciencey") has passed. Even what was once known as empirical truth is becoming truthiness or relativised to "my/our truth" (depending on individual or group thinking). Objective analysis has been eroded and smoothed by Bayesian regression analysis. Perhaps aspirations to objectivity were hubris to begin with anyway? Think of Thomas Nagel's "The View from Nowhere". Impossible, yet beautiful to contemplate.

I'm not even going to broach the topic of moral truths or the possibility of nefarious intent.

'Ware ye all soothsayers.

 

[user 41968]

https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/

Twenty years ago last week, IBM and the Holocaust, exposed—backed up by a tower of documentation— that IBM knowingly organized all six phases of the Holocaust: identification, exclusion, confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, and even extermination. All of this occurred under the micromanagement of IBM’s celebrated CEO, Thomas Watson, Sr., operating from his New York office on Madison Avenue, and later through European subsidiaries. In view of what IBM was able to accomplish on behalf of the Nazis prior to the era of the computer, the thought of what big tech can now do to surveil, censor, and control human lives is sobering indeed.

Custom IBM programs controlled the census and registration processes, organized the pauperization of the Jews, and ensured that the trains ran on time. There was an IBM customer site—the Hollerith Abteilung—in almost every concentration camp, some with tabulating machines and some with card organizers. IBM even engineered Germany’s odious extermination- by-labor campaign, where skills were matched to slave labor needs and Jews were called up to be worked to death. IBM’s code for a Jewish inmate was “6” and its code for gas chamber was “8.” The evidence indelibly proves that IBM was an indispensable and pivotal partner in the greatest crime in history. But to IBM, the Holocaust was just another business project.

Watson, a sociopath and narcissist lacking any moral compass, was no stranger to crime in pursuit of his business aims. He had been convicted of extortion in the infamous National Cash Register scandal before he was ever handed the reins of IBM. An evidence technicality allowed his conviction to be overturned and Watson to escape prison time.

IBM CEO Thomas J. Watson (second from left) meets with Hitler in Berlin, June 1937, just before receiving medal for "service to the Reich"; image via Jewish Virtual Library



Now we have AI...

 

[living sounds]

Regarding overpopulation - today all wild mammals put together on a scale weigh less than 10% of the weight of humanity:

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ght-of-wild-mammals-less-than-10-of-humanitys

 

[user 37518]

Regarding overpopulation - today all wild mammals put together on a scale weigh less than 10% of the weight of humanity:

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ght-of-wild-mammals-less-than-10-of-humanitys

Still, the world can hold many, many more humans. Some people say they all could live in Texas, maybe? the US, definitely. No worries.

P.S. No surprise that your article comes from The Guardian....

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Regarding overpopulation - today all wild mammals put together on a scale weigh less than 10% of the weight of humanity:

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ght-of-wild-mammals-less-than-10-of-humanitys

Now do insects.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

https://www.vox.com/science-and-hea...ife-on-earth-chart-weight-plants-animals-pnas

 

[scott2000]

Some people say they all could live in Texas, maybe?

It is amazing how much land there is, even here in Florida. But without basic infrastructure , it's debatable what "living" means to some. Unfortunately it's apparent that some believe kicks, threads and cellphones factor in to this.

But yeah, from an available land perspective, it's not even worth talking about and it's obvious some don't get the opportunity to see.
You have to concede that Texas doesn't hold a candle to the beauty of Mexico's landscape.

 

[cyrano]

Now do insects.

Same story. The number of species AND the number of individuals per specie has declined immensely in the last few decades.

There's a count goin'on in the UK that uses pics from the front license plate to measure the numbers. A Raspberry PI is used to count them. Steady decline all over the UK.

I see the same decline over here. A few species are booming, the rest is either absent or very hard to find. And that's also the case in vast wildlife reserves in Africa or the USA.

If insects go, we'll go too.

If you add the oceans goin' bonkers, it might even happen during our children's lifetimes.

 

[cyrano]

https://www.vox.com/science-and-hea...ife-on-earth-chart-weight-plants-animals-pnas

Obviously, you haven't read the original paper on PNAS...

Whereas groups like insects dominate in terms of species richness [with about 1 million described species (23)], their relative biomass fraction is miniscule.

Human activity contributed to the Quaternary Megafauna Extinction between ≈50,000 and ≈3,000 y ago, which claimed around half of the large (>40 kg) land mammal species

 

[JohnRoberts]

Not to get back on topic but in China people are starting to call this chatCCP because the communist government is working to force the chat algo to only return acceptable political comments. Good luck with that.

JR

 

[user 41968]

Still, the world can hold many, many more humans. Some people say they all could live in Texas, maybe? the US, definitely. No worries.

I think I calculated that if the entire world population was fitted into Texas each person would get somewhere around 900-1200 square feet. For a family of four that's a Texas-sized house.

AI, misused, will result in our enslavement.
I'm not going along.

 

[user 41968]

Same story. The number of species AND the number of individuals per specie has declined immensely in the last few decades.

There's a count goin'on in the UK that uses pics from the front license plate to measure the numbers. A Raspberry PI is used to count them. Steady decline all over the UK.

I see the same decline over here. A few species are booming, the rest is either absent or very hard to find. And that's also the case in vast wildlife reserves in Africa or the USA.

If insects go, we'll go too.

If you add the oceans goin' bonkers, it might even happen during our children's lifetimes.

Roundup®?