covid politics

[Script]

One can argue that those vaccinated early in the year, can be deemed 'unvaccinated' at this point.

All of them ? That would be quite some claim.

Likewise, those recovered early in this year or recovered last year, better also be deemed 'not immune'.

 

[fallout]

All of them ? That would be quite some claim.

What I'm saying is if a booster is eventually 'required' for those who previously got the shot, where does that leave people? Half vaccinated? Ha.

Likewise, those recovered early in this year or recovered last year, better also be deemed 'not immune'.

I'm not going to argue that. Natural immunity will eventually fade, no doubt. In a nutshell, that's the problem. That said, natural immunity is supposed to last a bit longer than immunity acquired by vaccination. Either way, even if natural immunity could last even over a year, it's not very long in the grand scheme of things.

 

[crazydoc]

I have a question I can't find an answer to. Studies have shown that people who get covid and recover, and subsequently after a period of time get vaccinated, have a greater immune response (antibodies in particular) than recovered people who do not get vaccinated. My question is, do people who are vaccinated and then get a breakthrough case of covid have an equivalent greater immune response than those who get covid without prior vaccination?

 

[scott2000]

That is a fascinating question. Probably be easy to find an answer once any studies are done. Seems it could be big news .

I heard discussions that natural immunity maybe has the ability to cover a broader range of protections as opposed to the more focused way the vaccines do their thing but can't recall exactly where the discussion was.

This somewhat touches on it.

https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html

btw...are there any other places to look at the breakthrough infection rates? That kff site seems to be stagnant since the end of July. Or maybe it's just unclear.

 

[crazydoc]

I see I've posted this in the wrong thread, though wouldn't be surprised to get some political opinions. Sorry JR - feel free to move it and any pertinent responses to the covid-19 thread.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I have pretty much given up on herding the cats over thread discipline.

enjoy...

JR

 

[scott2000]

I see I've posted this in the wrong thread, though wouldn't be surprised to get some political opinions.

Yeah....

This study goes in pretty good. Doesn't answer your question but maybe some inferences can be made? Wish it wasn't so hard to tell if this is ultimately talking about putting some Elma Silmics in when the Nichicon UKW seem to do the job or if there's more to it. And when do they need to be reformed or replaced. Thread drift... Still possibly the right forum at least.....or not...lol

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03696-9

 

[fallout]

Here's a peculiar one.

"Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose." - current CDC definition of 'Vaccine'

"Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose." - CDC definition of 'Vaccine' BEFORE 9/1/2021

Interesting choice of words/change.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htmhttps://web.archive.org/web/20210821004938/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

 

[fallout]

I have a question I can't find an answer to. Studies have shown that people who get covid and recover, and subsequently after a period of time get vaccinated, have a greater immune response (antibodies in particular) than recovered people who do not get vaccinated. My question is, do people who are vaccinated and then get a breakthrough case of covid have an equivalent greater immune response than those who get covid without prior vaccination?

Good question that doesn't seem to get discussed at all. I'd love to know as well. Although I'm not sure if it'd really matter much. If the breakthrough case is an asymptomatic or mild case (no hospitalization), I'd say the vaccine did it's intended job but yea, I'd be curious of the immune response after infection. My assumption would be that the antibodies produced by vaccination would still be the dominant ones for some length of time. Really good question.

 

[crazydoc]

Yeah....

This study goes in pretty good. Doesn't answer your question but maybe some inferences can be made? Wish it wasn't so hard to tell if this is ultimately talking about putting some Elma Silmics in when the Nichicon UKW seem to do the job or if there's more to it. And when do they need to be reformed or replaced. Thread drift... Still possibly the right forum at least.....or not...lol

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03696-9

Thanks, but again this discusses vaccination after infection. I'm looking for antibody or other immune responses in individuals who had infestion after vaccination.

 

[Matador]

Thanks, but again this discusses vaccination after infection. I'm looking for antibody or other immune responses in individuals who had infestion after vaccination.

I'm guessing the information is out there, but Big Pharma doesn't want you to know...

 

[shabtek]

Here's a peculiar one.

"Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose." - current CDC definition of 'Vaccine'

"Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose." - CDC definition of 'Vaccine' BEFORE 9/1/2021

Interesting choice of words/change.

Interesting change...this semantic phenomenon has bugged me for the last 18 months, now the definition has officially changed...

was the 'flu shot' colloquially 'a vaccine'?
it has always been marginally effective

it turns out vaccine and immunity are not binary concepts.
not as black and white as us clowns like it to be

 

[crazydoc]

I'm guessing the information is out there, but Big Pharma doesn't want you to know...

I knew there was a political response to the question out there.

 

[Script]

I have a question I can't find an answer to. Studies have shown that people who get covid and recover, and subsequently after a period of time get vaccinated, have a greater immune response (antibodies in particular) than recovered people who do not get vaccinated. My question is, do people who are vaccinated and then get a breakthrough case of covid have an equivalent greater immune response than those who get covid without prior vaccination?

Does it matter ? Will it matter ?Problem seems to be that too many countries are not 'there' yet by far. 60-70 % protection ? Not enough with delta. Endemic is the goal.

 

[crazydoc]

No, nothing really matters any more - it's just going to run its course as it stresses the health systems, economies, and the societal psyche, and the vaccinated and the recovered will join the herd. It will probably end up like influenza, needing regular boosters, but hopefully won't mutate as fast as flu, though has greater morbidity and mortality. Vaccination will probably, at least in the US, be a part of the pediatric series starting at a very young age like MMR, varicella, etc. Kids are supposed to get flu shots every year starting at 6 mos age, though I don't think very many do.

It's just a matter of curiosity for me whether the combination of natural disease and immunization works in either direction to augment the immune response.

 

[Tubetec]

Yeah but i'd say at least half or more accepted the vaccine on the basis is was sold to the public , that it meant they were immune to re-infection , that hope or claim has turned out to be false if not downright fraudulent , there is no control group in this experiment so how can we ever tell our arse from our elbow either way .

Now children as young as 12 are cleared for vaxxing , despite being the most likely segment to have already have aquired some natural immunity , should we not at least be testing the young for signs of previous infection before arbitrarily dosing out the entire cohort , you call that scientific , you got rocks in your head . Its follow the pack not the science , social media being the perfect spring board for mass mind control , now whos first for their 'Booster' ,

Storing medical information below the skin’s surface , did someone think subcutaenous chipping was pure conspiracy ?

Id made a comment here the other day along similar lines , but sat on it till morning to proof read instead of posting , I'd intended to get back to it and probably modify my comments , low and behold it vanished while in the pending outbox . Needless to say I've backed up my comments external to Gdiy this time , what is the half life of a pending comment here anyway ? lets see

Hmmm , it auto posted half the comment , lets try that again .

 

[Tubetec]

People may remember my comments on horsefly bites and covid recently .
Well low and behold today there was an interview with a fairly well known singer from Cork ,
He'd apparently got symptomless covid previously and despite doing very regular antigen tests which all came out negative . At some point later on he was bitten on the leg by a horse fly , the doctors said the fly bite reacted to the covid antibodies he already had and caused several serious localised infections , a series of covid PCR tests revealed he had in fact had the covid previously . The poor guy had to have lumps chopped out of him to avoid it spreading.

As I said in my previous post about the recent horsefly bites I got , from two different flies , one on either forearm, one healed up in a few days , the other took a week or two . Maybe thats guys reaction to the bites was just bad luck , or could there be something about covid to be learned from the horse/dungfly or cleg .

 

[scott2000]

Storing medical information below the skin’s surface , did someone think subcutaenous chipping was pure conspiracy ?

Graphene, Carbon Nanotube and Plasmonic Nanosensors for Detection of Viral Pathogens: Opportunities for Rapid Testing in Pandemics like COVID-19​

https://www.frontiersin.org/article...T&utm_campaign=ECO_FNANO_XXXXXXXX_auto-dlvrit

 

[JohnRoberts]

For any wanting more politics, it appears that some 80M US unvaccinated are the new "deplorables".

Of course y'all should get vaccinated, but prepare to be cancelled by the wokadile in the meanwhile.

JR

 

[iturnknobs]

For any wanting more politics, it appears that some 80M US unvaccinated are the new "deplorables".

Of course y'all should get vaccinated, but prepare to be cancelled by the wokadile in the meanwhile.

JR

The only reason it's politics is because the right has made it so. No one had an issue with vaccine mandates prior to Covid, but the right is leading its lemmings off the cliff while sowing division...just like masks were never an issue for doctors and surgeons and now they are potentially deadly...while no one screamed freedom upon seeing a sign stating "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service"...and no service members were up in arms about mandatory vaccines. Too little, too late right-wingers. Deplorable by lack of continuity in arguments.