DaveP said:
If what you said were true, it seems unlikely that Trump would get on so well with Netanyahu. He visited Israel, is this the actions of someone who supports Jew Haters?
You have to separate motives from sentiments from actions. Those are really three different things.
Netanyahu like most Israeli presidents I recall is a pragmatist and an idealist. All presidents there promote taking more land and controlling the Palestinians while doing so. The pragmatic view is to get support from the US regardless of the rhetoric on the surface. If the rhetoric coming out of the US is positive to that cause then Israel will applaud it, and if it isn't they'll paint a hyperbolic dark picture on the relationship between the US and Israel. But never in a million years with either Democrat or Republican presidents will military support, or UN support, or other support cease. It just won't. And no US president will ever put his foot down and force a viable two state solution to happen. Politically that would be borderline suicide in the US. So any POTUS has to go to Israel, has to say certain things, and has to support that state. Period.
When it comes to Trump's support of white supremacists it is exactly as it has been described by not only me here, by not only the media, but also by white supremacists themselves. The support comes from what Trump first didn't say immediately, and as I pointed out, what he then said later. It is the later statement that is so incredibly problematic.
The reason why he did so is up for debate. Is it because he actually didn't know the facts yet opened his mouth and a bunch of nonsense came out of it anyway? Possible. Not very likely. Is it because he thought he'd gain something politically, yet didn't care about the issue itself? I'd say that's not only possible but probable. Is it because he actually philosophically agrees/supports the cause of white supremacists? Also possible, but less likely.
So it's absolutely possible and logical and in my opinion more than likely that a person like him would make statements like that, and that the leader of Israel would still receive him simply because from a pragmatic standpoint it's beneficial to Israel. But should you like to see that this actually is an issue in Israel you need to look no further than Israeli media in which they've reported on mounting pressure on Benji to criticize Trump for what he said. In other words whether or not criticism is expressed is a function of political positions and power, not solely on what I presume you think was faulty or missing "logic".
DaveP said:
Trump comes from the northern US, is it likely he is a born again Black hater?
I don't see the contradiction there. So what if he's born in the northern US, do you think we're spared racists (of any color)? We most certainly aren't. Early in the year we saw at least a couple of videos of people getting verbally assaulted on the streets of NY (!) for looking like Muslims. We've had anti-semitic symbols in several places in the city. We recently had nooses hanging from trees in Brooklyn. This place isn't immune from it.
Now, it really just boils down to how many apples you need before you have a tree, so to speak. Just how many indications do you need that someone is a racist before coming to the conclusion that they are one...? In my opinion Trump could hypothetically still not be one, but what's also important are the things he says and the things he does. When the Central Park Five were convicted he advocated the death penalty. Would he had done the same if they were white real estate owners or white Wall Street investors? Probably not, right? And years after they had sat in jail and were finally released due to new evidence, what did Trump say? He proposed they were likely still guilty despite what the courts had declared.
So, if he had his way they'd have been convicted and executed based on non-existent evidence, and he would have been ok with that. Just be honest and ask yourself if the same would have applied to white middle/upper class people.
You really have to see this in context too. New York has suffered a systematic racially profiled oppression of non-whites due to stop and frisk etc. And you have to look at the statistics of how the criminal system works in the US. It's for profit, and people of color get tougher sentences than others for the same severity crimes (i.e. all other things being equal). And on top of that you have police officers killing civilians without much retribution, as well as prosecutors acting unethically, also without getting punished. It's in that context that his words have meaning and weight, regardless of whether or not he's truly a racist or just an opportunist.
DaveP said:
It's your right to have a particular viewpoint, I'm looking for the Logic in it.
DaveP
As well you should.
