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ruairioflaherty
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desol said:Ruairi.I'm not here to argue scripture.
There are enough people arguing already.
I'm not here to argue at all! I'm here to learn about electronics with friends.
Please link to some of what you consider to be the most convincing, I am genuinely curious. If I find them unconvincing I commit to being courteous.
As I said earlier, I have no doubt that these people believe what they are saying. They have experienced physical, mental and electrical trauma and their human, fallible pattern matching brain is trying to comprehend it. They may be suffering from PTSD.
I don't understand why the fact that they have lost a limb or that they are/were critical thinkers has any bearing. Trauma and circumstance can humble any human and overcome our ability to cope, process and understand. Educated humans will bludgeon others to death, commit people to gas chambers and eat the flesh of others in extreme circumstances.
This kind of statement is why I need to disengage. What does this even mean? Your god exists in your mind, and his business such as it is exists in your mind, woven from your life experience, human need and the stories and constructions of other men. I don't mean that in a dismissive way, you are free to believe anything that gives you comfort and saves you from a place that you believe will torment you.
But apparently my approach is foolhardy? I should sign on to the church as an insurance policy, a just in case? And I should also buy that elephant repellent that guy was trying to sell me the other day? "Mrs Jones has never had an elephant on her lawn in all the years she's been using this"….
living sounds
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desol said:
We are wired to believe what comes over as interesting and appears to be heartfelt and truthful. That's why advertising frequently uses testimonials. Dr. Atkins died of complications associated with the diet he propagated. It is very likely he actually believed it was healthy. Believe can be a dangerous thing...
There is improvement in science and it constanly evolves further but like with understanding prayer concerning healings could there be things that cause it to work or not. another words are there things we could learn. I heard a testimony of a woman with stomach cancer she was on her deathbed 86 pounds all the world had to offer had not worked. She heard the bible story of the woman who saw jesus walking through the crowd with the uncurable blood disease. This woman said if i could touch his(jesus) garmet i would be made whole. As Jesus came by she touched his cloak and virtue left his body and he then turned and said who touched me after the healing had been passed from him to her . She said it was me lord and he said your faith has made you whole. She was healed b4 jesus knew who touched him. Her faith made her whole not jesus's willingness to heal. Now back to the original story this women with cancer said i knew the bible said if i have the faith of a mustard seed i can move mountains or be healed but I also knew it must be pure faith with absolute no doubt. She said i knew if i told my family or friends or even church family that they would all want the best for me and be sad because i was sick but would most assuredly even in their best notions honestly doubt i would overcome. They are just going to go by what they have already seen happen so many times b4 with others in this situation. So She told noone but a few people she knew really believed God would heal her and that would not bring doubt into her situation. She was totally healed and said never let anyone in who you know will bring doubt. Could this be an evolving of the understanding of the working of prayer? I mean medicine evolves because we study it constantly but what if we studied these kinda things about prayer by allowing God to answer the qeustions we have and maturing to a point where we can recieve the answers spiritually as this lady did? An interesting story for sure.scott2000 said:
This has an answer.
I will have to give a bit of Christian Theology here, forgive me if you knew this already. God created the world. There was a war in heaven and Satan was thrown out down to earth, whereby he tried to turn mankind against God the father. I guess its easier to believe that aliens are living among us, but that's how it goes. Man is made steward of the earth, accountable to God for how he does the job. We are judged according to our "enlightenment". Those that lived before Christ are judged on their conscience, those that heard the gospel (about Jesus) are judged to a higher criteria accordingly. Catholic priests who abused children in their care are basically toast.
This life is a kind of testing ground (don't ask me why, I didn't make the rules) People who make the most of what they are given are rewarded, so Steven Hawking is going to be right up there for overcoming his disability. Paris Hilton might not do so well.
God knows it is tough down here so He sent his Son to make a bridge for those who accept Him. If you believe that Christ died for you, then you get a free pass, if you reject Him then you are on your own, good luck with that. Having said that, you have to show some remorse for your failings, there is more than a cynical count me in involved. It is true that there are many better people in ordinary life than there are in Church, You and I know that and so does God.
I am well aware that most people think that all this is crazy, during WW1 you would have been hard pushed to find anyone who did not know this stuff like the back of their hand, today the situation is reversed.
DaveP
Yes they are that is why it is so important i believe to understand that that faith even a small amount must be pure with no doubt. That can be tough sometimes but i think is the reason to not let people in on your prayerful situations who will add to the side of doubt.scott2000 said:
desol
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DaveP said:
Still, no one truly knows what someone such as Stephen Hawking decided, in the end. Jesus is firm on the 'all' of his rules, because of man's chosen disobedience and behavior. You must give to people that have less than you, and not be concerned with yourself(only with your own basic needs)...as you trust your belief that this life is only temporary; a testing grounds and experience as such, and you believe his word when he says there is more after. Even what is after, you shouldn't be concerned with, at least, I'm not.
As such, as a new Christian, I know little.
ruairioflaherty
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Gentlemen,
In the interest of staying friends I'm not going to post on this topic anymore. It would not be kind to describe just how insane I think some of what you are all saying is.
Good luck with everything.
Cheers,
Ruairi
In the interest of staying friends I'm not going to post on this topic anymore. It would not be kind to describe just how insane I think some of what you are all saying is.
Good luck with everything.
Cheers,
Ruairi
living sounds
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I second what Ruairi wrote and am out of this topic, too.
boji
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lulz Calm down Ta..I mean Ruairio. ;D
We are hardwired for this stuff, problem it mostly revolves around the right hemisphere (threat mitigation / chaos), which does not have linguistic tools to deploy.
This is why it is so difficult to talk about because language is a rational, left hemisphere thing.
This used to be very much a minority opinion, but Christianity is now becoming the minority opinion, that is why I described Desol as brave. Becoming a Christian in today's world is like a homosexual coming out in yesterday's world................. how times have changed in my lifetime.
Nevertheless, enjoying DIY electronics together keeps us sane and good friends in this life.
DaveP
boji
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Not so sure about that. If I could go back and tell my former self anything about this blessed console, it might be to go work harder outside in the world and then buy something of quality.
I do have a MUCH deeper appreciation for what goes into the making of things. Even toasters.
desol
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DaveP said:
I think it's important as Christians, not to condemn. Even though the act is condemned in more than a few of the testimonies that I believe, and I believe it to be true, there is only one judge and only He can and will condemn. "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
I think we should only tell the truth, and let people decide.
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desol
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boji said:
I generally don't prefer to talk in riddles, but I'll try here:
"Dickinson's attitude toward spiritual matters was more complex than her poem "Some keep the Sabbath going to church / I keep it staying at home" (Fr236) implies. While her poems are saturated with the language, ritual, and expectation of traditional religious experience, her tone varies tremendously. Some poems affirm the need for faith: "Faith - is the Pierless Bridge / Supporting what We see / Unto the Scene that We do not - " (Fr978). Irreverence underlies other aspects of her work: "The Bible is an antique Volume - / Written by faded Men / At the suggestion of Holy Spectres -" (Fr1577)."
- So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of My mouth! 17You say, ‘I am rich; I have grown wealthy and need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked.… - Revelation 3:16
