New CK12 capsule

[litespeedgreg]

Actually since you are going by last names I would be second hahahaha and if it were company names Campbell Transmitter

Hi Tim!

Corrected, plus noted the AKG assist.

 

[Kelvin Zero]

whether you feel strongly or not about all IP copyright, what most people find hard to swallow is large companies targeting individuals or stealing their work

 

[kingkorg]

What makes you think those companies you mentioned don’t do additional QC? Do you work for them? How do you know they don’t do frequency sweeps to weed out the capsules that don’t have the desired frequency response? They buy in large bulk at a lower cost so they can afford to reject. Unless you have first hand knowledge, you’re making assumptions.

Because i do QC myself, i have done checks myself. But than you have Telefunken who makes AK-47, makes clear marketing connection to U47, uses at best 20$ capsule , which is of the wrong construction. So what kind of QC they can make in order to compensate for the fact they are misleading people with something that has nothing to do with u47. Same goes for every company who sells edge terminated k67 (RK12), marketing connection to C12 or 251.

Serious companies publish those certificates with every capsule, and you can even calibrate your own system using these. 797 audio sends every capsule out of the factory with anechoic QC graph.

Serious companies make their own capsules. Shure, Røde, Neumann, Primo, Earthworks, DPA, Tim Campbell, 797 audio. And as you see price of the capsules in even this case goes from 30$ to +++ So why would anyone go for rebranded capsule if the original manufacturer gives you all the QC you need, providing the proof of it?

 

[kingkorg]

whether you feel strongly or not about all IP copyright, what most people find hard to swallow is large companies targeting individuals or stealing their work

Which is yet again based on AKG's, Neumann's work! Not picking on Tim here, but you get my point? CK12 is in public domain. Yet i totally get Tim's frustration.

I see no company trying to ripp off Samar's capsules for example.

 

[Tim Campbell]

Well really my work is not mine it is AKG's.
There is already a lot of competition in this market. This is just another CK12 and only it's price makes it interesting ( if it does sell cheap). Let's see how this capsule sounds.

I did many things for a living before I built this capsule and I do many things besides this capsule
I just got off the phone from a long talk with Dallas Upton. He has been playing a lot more music lately. Maybe we'll start a band

 

[Cappy]

Because i do QC myself, i have done checks myself. But than you have Telefunken who makes AK-47, makes clear marketing connection to U47, uses at best 20$ capsule , which is of the wrong construction. So what kind of QC they can make in order to compensate for the fact they are misleading people with something that has nothing to do with u47. Same goes for every company who sells edge terminated k67 (RK12), marketing connection to C12 or 251.

Serious companies publish those certificates with every capsule, and you can even calibrate your own system using these. 797 audio sends every capsule out of the factory with anechoic QC graph.

Serious companies make their own capsules. Shure, Røde, Neumann, Primo, Earthworks, DPA, Tim Campbell, 797 audio. And as you see price of the capsules in even this case goes from 30$ to +++ So why would anyone go for rebranded capsule if the original manufacturer gives you all the QC you need, providing the proof of it?

The question was….how do you know these companies that source capsules don’t do additional QC? Unless you work for them, you don’t know and are spreading your assumptions.

 

[soliloqueen]

The question was….how do you know these companies that source capsules don’t do additional QC? Unless you work for them, you don’t know and are spreading your assumptions.

i think he's just assuming they do no qc because they're bad. he's tested dozens of capsules of every brand, so he knows the variance between units. it's quite possible they do tons of qc and just suck at it.

 

[Kelvin Zero]

...Maybe I need to spend some time on an Italian beach painting

mind where you sell those paintings
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...!sea!AU!4082825987&curPageLogUid=wUHbLyYcAoj2

 

[kingkorg]

The question was….how do you know these companies that source capsules don’t do additional QC? Unless you work for them, you don’t know and are spreading your assumptions.

The answer is if 797 audio provides the company with detailed documentation of QC, there is no additional, except basic check to be done. So basing the 150$ price on QC done in US of a 30$ product is a scam.

Disclaimer, i do detailed QC in Norway with insanely high price of labour for free because it's 30 seconds worth of of work. In case of series of capsules it takes 5 seconds per capsule.

 

[Tim Campbell]

The answer is if 797 audio provides the company with detailed documentation of QC, there is no additional, except basic check to be done. So basing the 150$ price on QC done in US of a 30$ product is a scam.

Disclaimer, i do detailed QC in Norway with insanely high price of labour for free because it's 30 seconds worth of of work. In case of series of capsules it takes 5 seconds per capsule.

If you can work that fast kingkorg maybe we can join forces and make 100USD CK12 hahahaha.

 

[kingkorg]

If you can work that fast kingkorg maybe we can join forces and make 100USD CK12 hahahaha.

I do have a convenient setup tho.

 

[Whoops]

What makes you think those companies you mentioned don’t do additional QC?

Because he tested loads of capsules of the same source and compared them.

Because he is here for much longer than you and actually talks to people, and reads threads and people experiences with those capsules.
There's many info on capsule inconsistencies from those manufacturers around here.

Also he is a trustable and active member here with almost 2500 post in the forum, not a stranger with just 8 posts ever, that decided to use half of that, more 4 posts just to question him.

Do you work for them?

Gratefully no, he is an independent tester,
which is great because that way we can have an independent an unbiased test conclusion.
If he worked for any of them he would be bragging about that specific capsule, like they all do.

How do you know they don’t do frequency sweeps to weed out the capsules that don’t have the desired frequency response?

Because he did it himself and compared the results between capsules

They buy in large bulk at a lower cost so they can afford to reject.

Still many don't do,
Warm Audio is a great example of that.
They order in bulk from Chinese factories and don't do QC

Unless you have first hand knowledge, you’re making assumptions.

He has first hand knowledge

 

[Whoops]

For me the country where a capsule is produced is no issue at all!
As long as they can deliver me good quality for a reasonable price, they are my friends.
If a manufacturer in Uzbekistan today comes with a good CK12 capsule, I am willing to buy it!

You are able to explain my opinion and feelings about this much better than I would be able to.
Thanks

 

[Cappy]

Because he tested loads of capsules of the same source and compared them.

Because he is here for much longer than you and actually talks to people, and reads threads and people experiences with those capsules.
There's many info on capsule inconsistencies from those manufacturers around here.

Also he is a trustable and active member here with almost 2500 post in the forum, not a stranger with just 8 posts ever, that decided to use half of that, more 4 posts just to question him.



Gratefully no, he is an independent tester,
which is great because that way we can have an independent an unbiased test conclusion.
If he worked for any of them he would be bragging about that specific capsule, like they all do.



Because he did it himself and compared the results between capsules



Still many don't do,
Warm Audio is a great example of that.
They order in bulk from Chinese factories and don't do QC



He has first hand

 

[Cappy]

Cool. You don’t know me. I don’t know you. I was questioning whether he has worked for each company he listed to know their operations. The amount I post has no bearing on what I may know. I don’t feel belittled at your comment of how few posts I have. I just see him calling Tim Campbell childish and telling others in other threads how what they say makes no sense. So I questioned how he knows whether or not companies QC what they get from other sources. He clearly has a ton of knowledge. I asked the question and he gave an answer.

 

[Cappy]

I would bet you’re right about Warm not doing QC. They also made it hard to get anything from Cinemag.

 

[paulcheeba]

Regarding copyright laws China, Russia, Italy all infringed my intellectual copyright by bootlegging my work. Then the whole World started to steal music. You just have to deal with the times and being English speakers can get you anything especially with money too. I’m not bitter, I miss the old days but customers don’t. I enjoyed touring China with my band Morcheeba in 2002 and visiting all the crazy shops where you could buy anything so cheap. I also enjoyed ordering custom made potentiometers when I needed them recently for my console. To be honest I’m surprised they haven’t perfected the cheap CK12 clone years ago. Some of the factories are fantastic.

 

[Cappy]

A good reminder to listen to more Morcheeba.

 

[OPR]

Morcheeba Great band!
I was just sitting in the SPA last week listening too "THE SEA" the ultimate chill-out! Thanks for the relaxing vibes Paul.

I think the only real unfortunate thing about this new Ck12 is that it obviously directly copies directly from Tim's work rather than directly from AKG's ... I personally have sold many of my Ck12 into China, and was never really concerned because my Ck12 is constructed the same way as original so I knew I wouldn't be unwittingly handing over any inovations and or shortcuts to "corporate interests" that couldnt be obtained by reverse engineeing an original CK12 capsule.

 

[Tim Campbell]

As I said OPR and you are in the same position this isn't really a concern. It is just another company making a copy of a CK12. The only interesting feature will be it's price. If it is sold cheap it will dry up certain sections of the market but as you know all too well a CK12 can sound from dull to extremely bright. Just because it is chambered has no reflection on how it will sound. If it sounds good and is cheap then I personally have so much other work if I want it. This was always a matter of when not if.

You don't play an instrument do you? You could join Dallas and mine's band hahaha